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The Only Real Estel · 07-29-2004, 08:11 PM

I think that Grima was crying because he never fully realized what he'd done. He may have been thinking that he was in it for Eowyn & hadn't paid much attention to anything else. Now all of a sudden he sees an army of 10,000 Uruk-Hai that are going to wipe out every sign of life in Rohan (other than Eowyn, who he's probably not thinking much about at this point). Every man, woman, child-even every hut, home, & hall-I don't think he ever quite realized the ramifications of his role in all this. Now he suddenly sees that he's mostly responsible for the slaughter of thousands of people. He's in shock & disbelief, feeling a rare moment of sorrow over what he's done, & he sheds a tear of remorse over the horrible deaths that he's condemned Rohan to.

Encaitare · 07-29-2004, 08:46 PM

Very well said. I agree; it's a lot for one man to bear.

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-30-2004, 05:56 AM

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I have been confused by Grima crying, there was an article in the Dominion Post (Newspaper of Middle Earth) where Brad Douriff said he played Grima in that scene as suddenly realising his actions would result in the destruction of most of the surviving humans and lead to the victory of Saruman, a last vestage of his humanity and sorrow for what he had just done and what would happen.

Then later I read / heard on the EE that this was joy at a job well done and Grima was in awe of the massive army.

I think that the latter meaning was given by Philippa Boyens or one of the other scriptwriters. Interesting that the scriptwriters and the actor should ascribe different meanings to the tear. I wonder who's idea it was that he should shed the tear? Personally, I would go with the actor since it's his role - and his tear.

Mariska Greenleaf · 07-30-2004, 06:19 AM

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Grima was in awe of the massive army

A stupid little question, but necessary for me to understand this completely: what does the word "awe" mean?

Rimbaud · 07-30-2004, 07:37 AM

Main Entry: awe

Pronunciation: 'o

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English, from Old Norse agi; akin to Old English ege awe, Greek achos pain

1 : an emotion variously combining dread, veneration, and wonder that is inspired by authority or by the sacred or sublime <stood in awe of the king> <regard nature's wonders with awe>

2 archaic a : DREAD, TERROR b : the power to inspire dread

Ty to m-w.com.

Encaitare · 07-31-2004, 08:37 PM

That's definitely it, then. He's amazed, shocked, and somewhat fearful at the sheer size of the army and at what he has done. Awe describes it perfectly.

07-29-2004, 08:11 PM	#1
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	my theory I think that Grima was crying because he never fully realized what he'd done. He may have been thinking that he was in it for Eowyn & hadn't paid much attention to anything else. Now all of a sudden he sees an army of 10,000 Uruk-Hai that are going to wipe out every sign of life in Rohan (other than Eowyn, who he's probably not thinking much about at this point). Every man, woman, child-even every hut, home, & hall-I don't think he ever quite realized the ramifications of his role in all this. Now he suddenly sees that he's mostly responsible for the slaughter of thousands of people. He's in shock & disbelief, feeling a rare moment of sorrow over what he's done, & he sheds a tear of remorse over the horrible deaths that he's condemned Rohan to.

07-30-2004, 07:37 AM	#5
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Dear Mariska Main Entry: awe Pronunciation: 'o Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Old Norse agi; akin to Old English ege awe, Greek achos pain 1 : an emotion variously combining dread, veneration, and wonder that is inspired by authority or by the sacred or sublime <stood in awe of the king> <regard nature's wonders with awe> 2 archaic a : DREAD, TERROR b : the power to inspire dread Ty to m-w.com. __________________ And all the rest is literature

07-29-2004, 08:46 PM	#2
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Very well said. I agree; it's a lot for one man to bear.

07-31-2004, 08:37 PM	#6
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	That's definitely it, then. He's amazed, shocked, and somewhat fearful at the sheer size of the army and at what he has done. Awe describes it perfectly.