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**lindil** · 07-25-2004, 06:40 PM

In addition there were many non-numenoreans in Gondor [of whom the oath breakers were an example] who keapt their fealty to the Line of Earendil, as was already mentioned Arnor had previously been settled as was Pelagir. So whilst the Exiled Numenoreans were probably only a few thousands at most, they very quickly became the leaders of the 'proto-Dunedain' and their non numenorean Allies, plus the Elven armies of Lindon, Lorien, Greenwood and Rivendell. I think Moria was in on it as well, so while Elrond paints a picture of massive resisitance, the number of those who escaped the Downfall was only a very small part of the Last Alliance.

Now what I wonder is how they built Minas Anor and Ithil so fast...

Lhunardawen · 07-25-2004, 07:33 PM

Necessity is the mother of invention. For them to continue thriving as the last of the Numenorean race, they need a place to call their own--and fast.

Didn't the War of the Last Alliance happen a long time (relatively) after the Akallabeth? Because if so, it's understood why the host of Men and Elves was great in number in spite of the fact that those who were saved from the Downfall were but a fraction of it.

Findegil · 07-26-2004, 01:49 AM

The Tale of the Years mentiones for 3320 SA the Foundation of the Realms in Exile. The attack on Minas Ithil with which the war began took place in 3429 SA.

That gives the numenoreans about 100 Years to build their citys and their comunity.
For the city that is time enough, I think but not really for great increas in the population. But it is clear that the forces of the last alliance were much smaller than the army that Ar-Pharazôn had led against Sauron in 3261 SA. Otherwise they would have had a much faster victory.

Respectfully
Findegil

Osse · 07-26-2004, 04:11 AM

Have a look at the Landing of Elendil thread.... seeing as this is about exactly this topic... your questions are answered there!!!!

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=10868

**lindil** · 07-28-2004, 03:45 PM

ahh, the follies of trusting to old memories.... thanks for the correction Fin..
I agree 100 years could - if the motivation was high, build Minas Anor and Ithil. my faulty memory had them with far less years.

good scavenging Osse!

07-25-2004, 06:40 PM	#1
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	In addition there were many non-numenoreans in Gondor [of whom the oath breakers were an example] who keapt their fealty to the Line of Earendil, as was already mentioned Arnor had previously been settled as was Pelagir. So whilst the Exiled Numenoreans were probably only a few thousands at most, they very quickly became the leaders of the 'proto-Dunedain' and their non numenorean Allies, plus the Elven armies of Lindon, Lorien, Greenwood and Rivendell. I think Moria was in on it as well, so while Elrond paints a picture of massive resisitance, the number of those who escaped the Downfall was only a very small part of the Last Alliance. Now what I wonder is how they built Minas Anor and Ithil so fast... __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

07-26-2004, 04:11 AM	#4
Osse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Encircling Sea, deciding which ship to ruin next...could be yours. Posts: 274	Have a look at the Landing of Elendil thread.... seeing as this is about exactly this topic... your questions are answered there!!!! http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=10868 __________________ 'A thinking tyrant, it seemed to Vetinari, had a much harder job than a ruler raised to power by some idiot system like democracy. At least HE could tell the people he was THEIR fault.'

07-25-2004, 07:33 PM	#2
Lhunardawen Hauntress of the Havens Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IN it, but not OF it Posts: 2,538	Necessity is the mother of invention. For them to continue thriving as the last of the Numenorean race, they need a place to call their own--and fast. Didn't the War of the Last Alliance happen a long time (relatively) after the Akallabeth? Because if so, it's understood why the host of Men and Elves was great in number in spite of the fact that those who were saved from the Downfall were but a fraction of it.

07-26-2004, 01:49 AM	#3
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	The Tale of the Years mentiones for 3320 SA the Foundation of the Realms in Exile. The attack on Minas Ithil with which the war began took place in 3429 SA. That gives the numenoreans about 100 Years to build their citys and their comunity. For the city that is time enough, I think but not really for great increas in the population. But it is clear that the forces of the last alliance were much smaller than the army that Ar-Pharazôn had led against Sauron in 3261 SA. Otherwise they would have had a much faster victory. Respectfully Findegil

07-28-2004, 03:45 PM	#5
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	ahh, the follies of trusting to old memories.... thanks for the correction Fin.. I agree 100 years could - if the motivation was high, build Minas Anor and Ithil. my faulty memory had them with far less years. good scavenging Osse!