How to kill the Watcher in the Water

[gorthaur_cruel]

I have been thinking, presumably Moria was re-taken so Gimli could obtain Mithril to remake the doors of Gondor, so what happened to the Watcher in the Water?

I doubt Moria was retaken. There was still mithril around in Middle Earth, it was just really rare. Tolkien once wrote an epilogue to the Lord of the Rings, which was never published but can be found in HoME. There, it says that Moria was not retaken.

[Findegil]

In the epilog it says only that Moria was not jet taken when the conversation between Sam and his doughter took place. Some HoME volumes later we get the original scripts for the Appendices and there it is clearly statet that Durin VII son of Thorin Stonehelm reestablished the Dwarves in Moria.

On the topic, I think that the watcher was one creature. And if I had to choose I would break the dam and try to kill the watcher when the water is gone.

Respectfullly
Findegil

[Earendilyon]

I just noticed I had not answered the question in my first post in this thread

Maybe it's best indeed to breach the dam and see what that will do. Maybe the Watcher was dead by the time the Dwarves came to that point in reinstating Moria. Or, perhaps, the Watcher had left the water and went back to the bowels of the earth where it came from. Or, would leave the moment the dam was breached by the Dwarves.

[symestreem]

There's another alternative, although it would be almost impossible to accomplish.

Find another aquatic monster, transport it to the gates of Moria, and let them duke it out. Then, you would still have a guard, but not an actively hostile one.
An easier way might be to get large quantities of salt, and put it in the pool. Since the Watcher is apparently a freshwater creature, this would kill it.

Another interesting question is- How did the Watcher get into the Water in the first place?

[obloquy]

Use A Bazooka !!!!!! M I Rite???

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

For a whole world of good guys who had just held off Sauron for some thousands of years, I doubt one little squid would be much of a problem.

[Noxomanus]

For one,it's unknown wether it really was a squid or Kraken,and if it was it must have been a very remarkable one. It lives in fresh water and seems to have a mind of it's own.

I suspect it's more right to say nothing beyond that it was a Monster,perhaps one of the Nameless Things Gandalf speaks off.

Sure,a bazooka could do a nice job I guess,but to stay within the reach of ME people..I think using one of Sarumans explosive devices to let rocks fall down from the mountainwall on the lake would be a possibility. Otherwise, making the lake empty would be a possible,and better,alternative.

My nature-loving mind however tells me I'd rather have the creature be left alone, special, and perhaps even unique,as it is.

[Tuor of Gondolin]

Hello. This is an interesting topic, which most readers of LOTR probably have thought about in passing. I actually thought PJ's version of the Watcher was acceptable. The concensus seems to be the Watcher was one creature (for example, the somewhat dated complete guide to middle-earth by Robert Foster, and it seems to me logical that the creature came from the sea. http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Sirannon , for general Watcher related observations.

It seems reasonable, since it's obviously a water creature, that at some time the Watcher came up the Gwathlo and the Glanduin, looked around and thought it had found a nice home that, suitably renovated (damming the stream) could provide comfort with a movable buffet feast nearby.

Maybe there were even nastier creatures in the seas that it was avoiding (hee, hee), isn't there some such allusion to dangers of the seas during the Council of Elrond about throwing the ring in there?
If the dam was breached perhaps it would take the hint and return to the sea?