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06-28-2004, 03:09 AM

Thank You Niluial and Elianna

I suppose Nya Mire is as close as i will get. Thank You..

Araréiel · 06-28-2004, 11:07 PM

Whoa, -nya goes AFTER the word. Precious is mírë. My Precious is mírënya

06-29-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Araréiel

Whoa, -nya goes AFTER the word. Precious is mírë. My Precious is mírënya

Cool! are you absolutely sure that is the translation for My Precious? I want to make sure it is because if i have it tattooed near my kids names it's permanant you see..

Araréiel · 06-30-2004, 01:45 AM

The Ardalambion is the MOST accurate for Elvish. I'm kicking myself for not remembering the webpage, but I saved every bit of Elvish thing they had on there and printed hundreds and hundreds of pages. I went through the etymologies and mírë translates to "precious one" which is the same as precious for this purpose. -nya means my. According to the teachings, certain things are put together as one word. -nya goes after the word to make it posessive of the one claiming posession.

Take Spanish. Neccessitar means Need. Neccessito means "I need," no need to say Yo neccessito because the -o at the end makes it possessive to the person speaking. (You need is neccesitas or nesseccitan, dpending on how well you know the person, Neccessita is She/he needs, and so one). It just depends on the end part. A lot of kids in my Spanish class couldn't grasp the concept.

Do you have access to any of the History of Middle Earth books? One of them has a good bit of the etymologies and Quenya. I'll look for which one tomorrow. I'm too tired tonight. Seeing this may help put your mind at ease as HoME was written off of Tolkien's actual notes rather that some sites which have very poor translations and some evn openly admit that it's just their own interpretation. Never use a site that says it's their own interpretation. You want Tolkien's interpretation, not theirs. Ardalambion (I though it was .com) even has essays written by Tolkienists debating the history of Quenya and the other languages, and HoME outright has a good deal of the etymologies right in it.

Sindarin wasn't as well developed as Quenya. So Quenya is most often used. It's the base for different Elvish languages, most of which are very similar, kind of like Spanish in Mexico and Spanish in Spain, or English in America and English in England. With a minimum of inconvenience, you can communicate with other speakers of the same language who come from a different country. But Sindarin just wasn't very developed. Enough Quenya is developed to hold conversations and such, kind of like Klingon (language of Star Trek, which I personally can't stand).

Before you get the tattoo, let me see if I can find the Ardalambion again or, if you can access the HoME edition I'll look up tomorrow, that will help you.

Araréiel · 06-30-2004, 01:51 AM

Oh, how sad. The website isn't there anymore! Hopwever, thank God it can still be accessed at www.archive.org You can put i any web address and it will show you the history. Type in www.ardalambion.com and go to the last date listed to see the page. The links I'm checking still work. Download everything you can. Hopefully http://web.archive.org/web/200306100...dalambion.com/ will take you right there. I tried getting the dns info and it says information on the domain name isn't available right now. Maybe the domain just expired?

Download the Quenya courses. It's 20 courses, but very good.

I'll write more tomorrow.

piosenniel · 06-30-2004, 03:25 AM

Just click HERE to access the Ardalambion site - then bookmark it or put it on your Favorites list.

~*~ Pio

Araréiel · 06-30-2004, 10:03 AM

Thank God. That makes it so much easier! When did the address change?

06-28-2004, 03:09 AM	#1
Kizzy Guest Posts: n/a	Thank You Thank You Niluial and Elianna I suppose Nya Mire is as close as i will get. Thank You..

06-30-2004, 03:25 AM	#6
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	Just click HERE to access the Ardalambion site - then bookmark it or put it on your Favorites list. ~*~ Pio __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

06-28-2004, 11:07 PM	#2
Araréiel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 92	Whoa, -nya goes AFTER the word. Precious is mírë. My Precious is mírënya

06-30-2004, 01:45 AM	#4
Araréiel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 92	The Ardalambion is the MOST accurate for Elvish. I'm kicking myself for not remembering the webpage, but I saved every bit of Elvish thing they had on there and printed hundreds and hundreds of pages. I went through the etymologies and mírë translates to "precious one" which is the same as precious for this purpose. -nya means my. According to the teachings, certain things are put together as one word. -nya goes after the word to make it posessive of the one claiming posession. Take Spanish. Neccessitar means Need. Neccessito means "I need," no need to say Yo neccessito because the -o at the end makes it possessive to the person speaking. (You need is neccesitas or nesseccitan, dpending on how well you know the person, Neccessita is She/he needs, and so one). It just depends on the end part. A lot of kids in my Spanish class couldn't grasp the concept. Do you have access to any of the History of Middle Earth books? One of them has a good bit of the etymologies and Quenya. I'll look for which one tomorrow. I'm too tired tonight. Seeing this may help put your mind at ease as HoME was written off of Tolkien's actual notes rather that some sites which have very poor translations and some evn openly admit that it's just their own interpretation. Never use a site that says it's their own interpretation. You want Tolkien's interpretation, not theirs. Ardalambion (I though it was .com) even has essays written by Tolkienists debating the history of Quenya and the other languages, and HoME outright has a good deal of the etymologies right in it. Sindarin wasn't as well developed as Quenya. So Quenya is most often used. It's the base for different Elvish languages, most of which are very similar, kind of like Spanish in Mexico and Spanish in Spain, or English in America and English in England. With a minimum of inconvenience, you can communicate with other speakers of the same language who come from a different country. But Sindarin just wasn't very developed. Enough Quenya is developed to hold conversations and such, kind of like Klingon (language of Star Trek, which I personally can't stand). Before you get the tattoo, let me see if I can find the Ardalambion again or, if you can access the HoME edition I'll look up tomorrow, that will help you.

06-30-2004, 01:51 AM	#5
Araréiel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 92	Oh, how sad. The website isn't there anymore! Hopwever, thank God it can still be accessed at www.archive.org You can put i any web address and it will show you the history. Type in www.ardalambion.com and go to the last date listed to see the page. The links I'm checking still work. Download everything you can. Hopefully http://web.archive.org/web/200306100...dalambion.com/ will take you right there. I tried getting the dns info and it says information on the domain name isn't available right now. Maybe the domain just expired? Download the Quenya courses. It's 20 courses, but very good. I'll write more tomorrow.

06-30-2004, 10:03 AM	#7
Araréiel Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 92	Thank God. That makes it so much easier! When did the address change?