Balin, Moria and the King Under the Mountain - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Osse · 06-16-2004, 03:33 AM

May I just put a slant on this fantastically interesting conversation...

It seems to me that everyone is under the assumption that Balin intended to take Moria for himself, I doubt this to be true - Balin was just the ambitious bloke who had dreams of retaking Moria - for all dwarves. I do believe that he would have intended to keep the title of Lord of Moria in opposition to Dain's title of King of Durin's Folk, but rather as a lieutenant-type figure. I was always under the opinion that Dain left the Iron Hills himself, with the dwarves of his household, but that the majority of the dwarves that lived there still remained. Of course, they would need a lord or mayor-like person to follow - what is to say that Balin wouldn't have acted as an underling to the King, as the Lord of the Iron Hills must have acted -until (or unless) Dain chose to remove his seat to Kazad-dum, however I don't see this occuring whilst Sauron still held sway in the east and certainly the party would make it fit for a King to abide in before he took the journey...

As Squatter said many posts ago, Balin retook moria for all the dwarves, it was just that Dain didn't share his optimism.

06-16-2004, 03:33 AM	#1
Osse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Encircling Sea, deciding which ship to ruin next...could be yours. Posts: 274	May I just put a slant on this fantastically interesting conversation... It seems to me that everyone is under the assumption that Balin intended to take Moria for himself, I doubt this to be true - Balin was just the ambitious bloke who had dreams of retaking Moria - for all dwarves. I do believe that he would have intended to keep the title of Lord of Moria in opposition to Dain's title of King of Durin's Folk, but rather as a lieutenant-type figure. I was always under the opinion that Dain left the Iron Hills himself, with the dwarves of his household, but that the majority of the dwarves that lived there still remained. Of course, they would need a lord or mayor-like person to follow - what is to say that Balin wouldn't have acted as an underling to the King, as the Lord of the Iron Hills must have acted -until (or unless) Dain chose to remove his seat to Kazad-dum, however I don't see this occuring whilst Sauron still held sway in the east and certainly the party would make it fit for a King to abide in before he took the journey... As Squatter said many posts ago, Balin retook moria for all the dwarves, it was just that Dain didn't share his optimism. __________________ 'A thinking tyrant, it seemed to Vetinari, had a much harder job than a ruler raised to power by some idiot system like democracy. At least HE could tell the people he was THEIR fault.'