are there she orcs?? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Lord of Angmar · 05-05-2004, 08:33 AM

No he didn't!

Imladris · 05-05-2004, 10:13 AM

What about some proof, Olorin_TLA?

The Only Real Estel · 05-05-2004, 03:54 PM

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What about some proof, Olorin_TLA?

Good idea. I must say I never remember reading 'She-elf' in Tolkien's books. That's the main reason why the Blackrider's usage of it stood out so much...

Olorin_TLA · 05-06-2004, 06:14 AM

I'm sure I read it in Letters or HoMe...most of which I don't own.

In case this turns into a big deal, I'm perfectly ready to admit I amy be imagining things. So I'll say: "I'm really, really sure he used it once. But this is all relying on my memory." But I definately came across it somewhere, and it stuckin my mind precisely because it was an unusual term.

Better?

Plus it would be a bit wierd for PJ to invent somehting like that. Mind you, having said that...*Two Towers*

Son of Númenor · 05-06-2004, 02:21 PM

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Plus it would be a bit wierd for PJ to invent somehting like that.

Yeah, next thing you know he'd have Elrond showing up at Dunharrow or Gimli exclaiming, "Nobody tosses a Dwarf!"

Now back to the original topic of the thread: I think it can be inferred that there were female orcs simply because A) They somehow inexplicably multiplied! & B) It can be assumed that Melkor corrupted both male and female Elves (or Men?), & I doubt even he had the power to change the sexes of his corruptions &/or make impotence a hereditary trait.

ElberethVarda · 05-06-2004, 03:19 PM

I don't think orcs really had gender. They just sort of... multiplied. Kind of like insects, if you know what I mean.

Lord of Angmar · 05-06-2004, 03:39 PM

Insects have genders.

Here's an interesting topic: If orcs do reproduce sexually, what is the cause for the growth of their population? Can corrupted Elves/Men really be so utterly enslaved as to begin ravenously reproducing at any sign of evil gathering power?

05-05-2004, 08:33 AM	#1
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	No he didn't! __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

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Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	What about some proof, Olorin_TLA? __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

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Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	I'm sure I read it in Letters or HoMe...most of which I don't own. In case this turns into a big deal, I'm perfectly ready to admit I amy be imagining things. So I'll say: "I'm really, really sure he used it once. But this is all relying on my memory." But I definately came across it somewhere, and it stuckin my mind precisely because it was an unusual term. Better? Plus it would be a bit wierd for PJ to invent somehting like that. Mind you, having said that...Two Towers __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!" Last edited by Olorin_TLA; 05-06-2004 at 03:55 PM.

05-06-2004, 03:19 PM	#6
ElberethVarda Pile O'Bones Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Valinor Posts: 16	I don't think orcs really had gender. They just sort of... multiplied. Kind of like insects, if you know what I mean. __________________ Yea, As sure as I have a thought or soul.

05-06-2004, 03:39 PM	#7
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	Insects have genders. Here's an interesting topic: If orcs do reproduce sexually, what is the cause for the growth of their population? Can corrupted Elves/Men really be so utterly enslaved as to begin ravenously reproducing at any sign of evil gathering power? __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.