The Hills of Evendim Planning/Discussion Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

littlemanpoet · 05-04-2004, 07:20 PM

Just a couple things...

Eswen, I still don't know enough about the Dark Queen. Is she elven? Is Eswen inhabited by an evil Maia? What is the nature of the Dark Queen?

Lira's broken neck - um - means that she's not dead, being an elf, but is incapacitated, at least in body.

Elves: you exist in two realms at once. Think of Weathertop, of how Frodo perceived. That's how you will perceive. You will see many dark things that the humans can't see, but they won't be merely dark to you - they will be perilous, and revealed for what they truly are! Think about it, and try to write at two levels at once, in terms of what your characters perceive. Man, I wish Elora was here for this. It's time I contacted her. I'll try.

You guys have decided that there are guards, and many of them (exact number to be determined on the fly

), and that they knew we were coming. Okay, if that's the way you want it, that's the way you've got it! (sorry - lyrics running through my head today). Let's have at it, friends!

LMP

Imladris · 05-04-2004, 07:57 PM

Wait -- doesn't a broken neck usually mean death? She fell from quite a height (at least, I imagine she did if she needed a rope -- also, the word temple does conjure up a grand building in the imagination) on her neck...but no matter.

So, in her incapacitated state, can she still fight in the "spirit" world of the elves?

littlemanpoet · 05-04-2004, 08:45 PM

A broken neck doesn't necessarily mean death, but usually. If the blood flow to the brain is stopped, or the air passage is stopped up, then we're talking death.

From there, there's still the spirit world. My guess is that Lira's spirit would end up in the halls of Mandos... but I'm not sure if that would happen until after she faced the evil spirits under the MS's control. What do you think? It's up to you.

Imladris · 05-04-2004, 09:50 PM

Ooo....fighting in the spirit world and then going to the Halls of Mandos. Nice. How would it be like fighting in the spirit world? Forgive my ignorance...

Esgallhugwen · 05-05-2004, 08:59 AM

Hmmm, sorry LMP. It would be rather interesting for the Dark Queen to be an evil Maia or at least a Maia that likes battle and bloodshed a little too much.

I don't know if the Maia in her would be considered a true evil considering Esgallhugwen hasn't killed any of her companions yet, she's only gone after the bad guys, of course she could be trying to destroy the Mouth of Sauron before she deals with them.

So, since the Elves live in two realms at once they would be attacking things that the humans wouldn't be able to see, (that might be funny, watching someone swinging at nothing) and if thats also the case then Eswen will be able to see Lira fighting off the invisible evils in the spirit world.

I don't know if this is right I'm sort of taking it from the books and the *gulp* movies (please don't throw rocks at me

) But when Frodo percieved the Ringwraiths he saw these decrepid old men who were white and glowy;the white Kings I believe he called them, now from what I remember, or think I remember, his vision was smeared and blurred sort of dreamlike, but since these are Elves we're talking about maybe their vision might be clearer.

One last thing before I stop blabbing, since I've sort of been going on and on. When the Elves see through the MS's facade, I'm assuming he'll be wearing a cloak just for an example, he is not going to be a very pretty boy, try to keep from spilling your lembas girls.

littlemanpoet · 05-05-2004, 08:23 PM

I'm not sure you'd be swinging a sword at an evil Maia, Eswen. Not unless your sword was from an Elven smithy, and had been forged for such a purpose. The absence of wizards is quite a problem, I'm thinking. When it comes right down to it, once all the bodies are lying about, that's when the real battle begins, and I'm not sure how well the party can stand up against the MS's minions and slaves. Especially without any phials of Galadriel hanging about!

Here's how I see it for Lira:

Lira sat up, and was immediately aware that she had left her body behind. The head was at an odd angle from the shoulders, but this meant little to Lira, for she was fëa now. She had little time to think of it, for she was assaulted by a sudden awareness. A dread being stood between two of the black pillars, chained by strands not of bodily making, as if its very essence had been used against it to hold it as slave there, at the beck and call of the Master. It was not a Balrog, but it was evil and strong nonetheless.

Okay, use that as a basis if you like. Most of what's going to happen, seems to me, is battle of wills.

I take it, Eswen, that you're still feeling your way with the Dark Queen. Fair enough. We'll see how this goes.

Esgallhugwen · 05-06-2004, 08:18 AM

Its sort of ironic that I can't figure out where the Dark Queen comes from and I'm the one that made her

But don't worry I'm in the continual process of poking her to find out. Her sword was made in an Elvish smithy but it wasn't forged with the intention of running around trying to hack apart evil Maia or any Maia for that matter.

But I think I might have confused you with my erratic way of speaking, I had no intention of attacking any Maia, I thought the MS was a Black Numenorean who had spirits and the like under his sway. I know I'm probably re-stating the obvious but I'm just trying to tell you what I know.

What I'm getting LMP in your last post is that once we kill all the living gaurds we're going to have to fight their spirits, along with all the other minions that the MS controls (which includes the multitude of slaves he has killed in sacrifice)

How are the mortals going to be able to fight if they can't see the spirit world? Will their weapons do anything to the MS's minions? The Elves that are still alive they'll be able to fight them off, right?

Sorry I've just become confuzzled!

05-04-2004, 07:20 PM	#1
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	a couple points Just a couple things... Eswen, I still don't know enough about the Dark Queen. Is she elven? Is Eswen inhabited by an evil Maia? What is the nature of the Dark Queen? Lira's broken neck - um - means that she's not dead, being an elf, but is incapacitated, at least in body. Elves: you exist in two realms at once. Think of Weathertop, of how Frodo perceived. That's how you will perceive. You will see many dark things that the humans can't see, but they won't be merely dark to you - they will be perilous, and revealed for what they truly are! Think about it, and try to write at two levels at once, in terms of what your characters perceive. Man, I wish Elora was here for this. It's time I contacted her. I'll try. You guys have decided that there are guards, and many of them (exact number to be determined on the fly ), and that they knew we were coming. Okay, if that's the way you want it, that's the way you've got it! (sorry - lyrics running through my head today). Let's have at it, friends! LMP

05-04-2004, 07:57 PM	#2
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	Wait -- doesn't a broken neck usually mean death? She fell from quite a height (at least, I imagine she did if she needed a rope -- also, the word temple does conjure up a grand building in the imagination) on her neck...but no matter. So, in her incapacitated state, can she still fight in the "spirit" world of the elves? __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

05-04-2004, 08:45 PM	#3
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Lira's broken neck A broken neck doesn't necessarily mean death, but usually. If the blood flow to the brain is stopped, or the air passage is stopped up, then we're talking death. From there, there's still the spirit world. My guess is that Lira's spirit would end up in the halls of Mandos... but I'm not sure if that would happen until after she faced the evil spirits under the MS's control. What do you think? It's up to you.

05-04-2004, 09:50 PM	#4
Imladris Tears of the Phoenix Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Putting dimes in the jukebox baby. Posts: 1,453	Ooo....fighting in the spirit world and then going to the Halls of Mandos. Nice. How would it be like fighting in the spirit world? Forgive my ignorance... __________________ I'm sorry it wasn't a unicorn. It would have been nice to have unicorns. I'm your huckleberry.

05-05-2004, 08:59 AM	#5
Esgallhugwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Where the Moon cries against the snow Posts: 526	Hmmm, sorry LMP. It would be rather interesting for the Dark Queen to be an evil Maia or at least a Maia that likes battle and bloodshed a little too much. I don't know if the Maia in her would be considered a true evil considering Esgallhugwen hasn't killed any of her companions yet, she's only gone after the bad guys, of course she could be trying to destroy the Mouth of Sauron before she deals with them. So, since the Elves live in two realms at once they would be attacking things that the humans wouldn't be able to see, (that might be funny, watching someone swinging at nothing) and if thats also the case then Eswen will be able to see Lira fighting off the invisible evils in the spirit world. I don't know if this is right I'm sort of taking it from the books and the gulp movies (please don't throw rocks at me ) But when Frodo percieved the Ringwraiths he saw these decrepid old men who were white and glowy;the white Kings I believe he called them, now from what I remember, or think I remember, his vision was smeared and blurred sort of dreamlike, but since these are Elves we're talking about maybe their vision might be clearer. One last thing before I stop blabbing, since I've sort of been going on and on. When the Elves see through the MS's facade, I'm assuming he'll be wearing a cloak just for an example, he is not going to be a very pretty boy, try to keep from spilling your lembas girls. __________________ "...for the sin of the idolater is not that he worships stone, but that he worships one stone over others. -8:9:4 The Witness of Fane"

05-05-2004, 08:23 PM	#6
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	what happens in the spirit realm I'm not sure you'd be swinging a sword at an evil Maia, Eswen. Not unless your sword was from an Elven smithy, and had been forged for such a purpose. The absence of wizards is quite a problem, I'm thinking. When it comes right down to it, once all the bodies are lying about, that's when the real battle begins, and I'm not sure how well the party can stand up against the MS's minions and slaves. Especially without any phials of Galadriel hanging about! Here's how I see it for Lira: Lira sat up, and was immediately aware that she had left her body behind. The head was at an odd angle from the shoulders, but this meant little to Lira, for she was fëa now. She had little time to think of it, for she was assaulted by a sudden awareness. A dread being stood between two of the black pillars, chained by strands not of bodily making, as if its very essence had been used against it to hold it as slave there, at the beck and call of the Master. It was not a Balrog, but it was evil and strong nonetheless. Okay, use that as a basis if you like. Most of what's going to happen, seems to me, is battle of wills. I take it, Eswen, that you're still feeling your way with the Dark Queen. Fair enough. We'll see how this goes.

05-06-2004, 08:18 AM	#7
Esgallhugwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Where the Moon cries against the snow Posts: 526	Its sort of ironic that I can't figure out where the Dark Queen comes from and I'm the one that made her But don't worry I'm in the continual process of poking her to find out. Her sword was made in an Elvish smithy but it wasn't forged with the intention of running around trying to hack apart evil Maia or any Maia for that matter. But I think I might have confused you with my erratic way of speaking, I had no intention of attacking any Maia, I thought the MS was a Black Numenorean who had spirits and the like under his sway. I know I'm probably re-stating the obvious but I'm just trying to tell you what I know. What I'm getting LMP in your last post is that once we kill all the living gaurds we're going to have to fight their spirits, along with all the other minions that the MS controls (which includes the multitude of slaves he has killed in sacrifice) How are the mortals going to be able to fight if they can't see the spirit world? Will their weapons do anything to the MS's minions? The Elves that are still alive they'll be able to fight them off, right? Sorry I've just become confuzzled! __________________ "...for the sin of the idolater is not that he worships stone, but that he worships one stone over others. -8:9:4 The Witness of Fane"