The Rider - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gil Galad · 04-17-2004, 10:35 PM

I wanted to know if any of ya have any info, or opinions. From what I've read at The encyclopedia of Arda. The Rider was a creature sent by Melkor to trouble the first elves at Cuiviénen. I wanted to know if anyone had any more info on this. I read through the Silmarillion index and it did not mention The Rider anywhere.

NightKnight · 04-18-2004, 04:26 AM

My guess is that it was an emmisary of some kind, sent out to put fear in the elves to keep them from going to Aman with the Valar.

Lord of Angmar · 04-18-2004, 07:12 AM

It is interesting that the term 'Rider' is present in that context on The Encyclopedia of Arda . I suppose the purpose behind sending out "his dark servants as riders" was to make the Quendi hate all those who rode steeds, so that they would be fearful of Orome when he found them.

I wonder if those "riders" were the basis in Tolkien's mind for the Nazgul?

Mad Baggins · 04-18-2004, 03:09 PM

Good point, Lord of Angmar. It certainly sounds like they were a start for the Nazgul. Do you think that Tolkien purposely used Riders for Melkor and Sauron, making it seem that Sauron was copying Melkor?

04-17-2004, 10:35 PM	#1
Gil Galad Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: hmm... good question.... Posts: 58	The Rider I wanted to know if any of ya have any info, or opinions. From what I've read at The encyclopedia of Arda. The Rider was a creature sent by Melkor to trouble the first elves at Cuiviénen. I wanted to know if anyone had any more info on this. I read through the Silmarillion index and it did not mention The Rider anywhere. __________________ A red sun rises... blood has been spilt this night.- Legolas TTT Certainty of death, small chance of success... what are we waiting for?- Gimli ROTK

04-18-2004, 04:26 AM	#2
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	My guess is that it was an emmisary of some kind, sent out to put fear in the elves to keep them from going to Aman with the Valar. __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

04-18-2004, 07:12 AM	#3
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	It is interesting that the term 'Rider' is present in that context on The Encyclopedia of Arda . I suppose the purpose behind sending out "his dark servants as riders" was to make the Quendi hate all those who rode steeds, so that they would be fearful of Orome when he found them. I wonder if those "riders" were the basis in Tolkien's mind for the Nazgul? __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

04-18-2004, 03:09 PM	#4
Mad Baggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: A place where after thunder golden showers come falling like a rain of flowers. Posts: 371	Good point, Lord of Angmar. It certainly sounds like they were a start for the Nazgul. Do you think that Tolkien purposely used Riders for Melkor and Sauron, making it seem that Sauron was copying Melkor? __________________ I like buying snacks from a vending machine because food is better when it falls. Sometimes at the grocery, I'll drop a candy bar so that it will achieve its maximum flavor potential.