**RotK - Black Gate**

[Numenorean]

After seeing the movie a fair few times now, I reckon the Black Gate scene is pretty good. I definately thought it was a whole lot better before I re-read the relevant epic passages of the book and was reminded of how it really went down at the Gate.

Something (of many things) which I cannot quite fathom about the movie though, is the sequence right after Viggos superb delivery of the 'This day...' speech, he then seems to have a strange moment where we see the 'eye' of Barad-dûr flashing away in the background and we hear a couple of Saurons whispered 'Elessaaars' seemingly directed at Aragorn (which Gandalf also appears to hear). Does anyone have any ideas as to what that is all about, is it even real?

Diola lle.

[Lathriel]

I actuall kinda liked the Ellesar part cause it seemed as if Sauron was challenging him and it created a good mysterious slightly creepy mood.

[dancing spawn of ungoliant]

Yeah, I liked it too. I had this impression that Sauron is calling Aragorn and somehow tries to fool him to surrender by whispering lies to him or something.

[Numenorean]

Sauron is calling Aragorn and somehow tries to fool him to surrender by whispering lies to him or something.

Thanks, that makes a bit more sense to me now, I just wasn't too sure whether it was meant to be a parley - as the Mouth of Sauron was cut - or whatever.

I actuall kinda liked the Ellesar part cause it seemed as if Sauron was challenging him and it created a good mysterious slightly creepy mood.

Yeah I liked it too Lathriel, the effect it had on the atmosphere of the scene was strangely unsettling.

[Gil-Galad]

too me it felt like Sauron was trying to corrupt Aragorn, but Aragorn remembered the reason of the diversion and continued on with the attack

[Essex]

but the voice of sauron could also tie in with the rumour that jackson filmed a fight scene between aragorn and sauron that ended up on the cutting room floor (thank god).

I've always wondered why Aragorn was getting such a tanking from a big nasty orc. In my opinion this was some work done by Richard Taylor to "airbrush" Sauron to change him into an orc!!!

Look at Aragorn's face as he turns to confront the orc. He looks pretty overwhelmed to me. What; Aragorn, son of arathorn frightened by an ugly orc? I think not!

I will wait for jackon's commentary on the EE and see what he says about this. you never know, my idiotic musings above might not be too far from the truth.....

[The Only Real Estel]

but the voice of sauron could also tie in with the rumour that jackson filmed a fight scene between aragorn and sauron that ended up on the cutting room floor (thank god).

Yeah, thanks god the scene wasn't in there O_O!

That 'big ugly orc' is actaully supposed to be some sort of a troll or an Olog-Hai (don't ask me ), considerably scarier than an orc . Still, Aragorn does seem to be a little to frightened...