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Osse · 04-09-2004, 11:56 PM

this is probably in one of my books... just that they are in boxes in australia! so pleae excuse me for asking it here...

When did the mearas 'lose' the ability to speak? or was it just Eorl's horse who could communicate with Men?

Thanks

Firefoot · 04-10-2004, 06:03 AM

I'm pretty sure that only Felaróf could understand Men. I don't remember anything about any other Mearas being able to do so. And also, Felaróf wasn't able to speak to Men, he could just understand their language, if my understanding is correct.

Hookbill the Goomba · 04-10-2004, 06:19 AM

I think it was Tree beard that said at one point that all things can speak, but with there own tongs (Aka, the talking Trees, Old man willow, the badgers in "the adventures of Tom Bombadill ect). It is likely that the Horses had there own tong, therefore it is not beyond the realms of possibility that one of the Mearas at least could, with time, understand or comprehend the tong of men.
As has been said, the Mearas would only allow kings of the mark to ride them.

Perhaps Sahdowfax still had some pride about the tradition his kin had, and that is why he made Gandalf ride him bare back. Or did all have to ride the Mearas bare back.... I'll have to check! (Digs through large collection of books)

symestreem · 04-10-2004, 07:11 AM

Considering the elvish gift of linguistics, is it outside the realm of possibility that an elven rider and a Mearas (we'll say part-Mearas to meet Tolkien's canon) would be able to communicate with each other? Legolas talked to his non-Mearas horse.

Hookbill the Goomba · 04-10-2004, 11:49 AM

My point exactly, symestreem, It would make more sense to do so. If The Eldar, with there linguistic talent, could teach the horses the languages of Westerness and others, that way there would be more understanding between horse and rider, and a horse could tell someone to get off them if they did not wish them to ride them.

Besides, Orome may have thought his horse to comprehend the tong that he used (would that be Valinorian or something like that?) And Nahar being the father of the Mearas could have passed on the knowledge to his offspring, who passed it to theirs and so on. Plus the fact that the Mearas had to breed with other types of horse, the linguistic skills they had may have passed into other breeds also. If this is so, then this may explain why the Rohirum had such a close bond with there horses, Maybe, even if the Rohirum were not aware of the fact that the horses could understand them, that would be the reason behind the amassing faithfulness of the rohirum's horses.

galadriel'smaiden · 04-10-2004, 12:47 PM

Excuse` Moi, I have a question...

Were the Mearas simply an incredible breed of horse, like an Andalusion or Appaloosa? Or were they...you know, something else? Like how Elves and Men were similair in appearance but really very different? I am relatively forgetful, I probably read about this then forgot

Peace

symestreem · 04-10-2004, 01:14 PM

The Mearas were a great breed of horse that lived as long as men, but there is speculation that they were descended from Valinorian horses. That would certainly make them special.

Hookbill the Goomba · 04-10-2004, 01:23 PM

You don’t have to speak French to us! We're not French, nor are We Tourists!

(Don’t take that personally, I'm not a fan of the French language, We fight wars against the French and... sorry I’m rambling)

Any way, I think that the Mearas are sort of a special breed of Horses. Seeing as they were bred from a horse from Valinor. So, if Huan (The Hound Of Valinor) had survived and had offspring, they may have become a special breed of wolf.

04-09-2004, 11:56 PM	#1
Osse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Encircling Sea, deciding which ship to ruin next...could be yours. Posts: 274	this is probably in one of my books... just that they are in boxes in australia! so pleae excuse me for asking it here... When did the mearas 'lose' the ability to speak? or was it just Eorl's horse who could communicate with Men? Thanks __________________ 'A thinking tyrant, it seemed to Vetinari, had a much harder job than a ruler raised to power by some idiot system like democracy. At least HE could tell the people he was THEIR fault.'

04-10-2004, 06:19 AM	#3
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 5,912	I think it was Tree beard that said at one point that all things can speak, but with there own tongs (Aka, the talking Trees, Old man willow, the badgers in "the adventures of Tom Bombadill ect). It is likely that the Horses had there own tong, therefore it is not beyond the realms of possibility that one of the Mearas at least could, with time, understand or comprehend the tong of men. As has been said, the Mearas would only allow kings of the mark to ride them. Perhaps Sahdowfax still had some pride about the tradition his kin had, and that is why he made Gandalf ride him bare back. Or did all have to ride the Mearas bare back.... I'll have to check! (Digs through large collection of books) __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket... Last edited by Hookbill the Goomba; 04-10-2004 at 06:21 AM. Reason: mis-spellings

04-10-2004, 11:49 AM	#5
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 5,912	My point exactly, symestreem, It would make more sense to do so. If The Eldar, with there linguistic talent, could teach the horses the languages of Westerness and others, that way there would be more understanding between horse and rider, and a horse could tell someone to get off them if they did not wish them to ride them. Besides, Orome may have thought his horse to comprehend the tong that he used (would that be Valinorian or something like that?) And Nahar being the father of the Mearas could have passed on the knowledge to his offspring, who passed it to theirs and so on. Plus the fact that the Mearas had to breed with other types of horse, the linguistic skills they had may have passed into other breeds also. If this is so, then this may explain why the Rohirum had such a close bond with there horses, Maybe, even if the Rohirum were not aware of the fact that the horses could understand them, that would be the reason behind the amassing faithfulness of the rohirum's horses. __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket...

04-10-2004, 12:47 PM	#6
galadriel'smaiden Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Vilnius Posts: 73	Excuse` Moi, I have a question... Were the Mearas simply an incredible breed of horse, like an Andalusion or Appaloosa? Or were they...you know, something else? Like how Elves and Men were similair in appearance but really very different? I am relatively forgetful, I probably read about this then forgot Peace __________________ "For God's sake Ed, just take the stupid call!" said Justin. "Hello, Mum, I'm on stage," said Ed casually. "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGH!" screamed Justin.

04-10-2004, 01:23 PM	#8
Hookbill the Goomba Alive without breath Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: On A Cold Wind To Valhalla Posts: 5,912	You don’t have to speak French to us! We're not French, nor are We Tourists! (Don’t take that personally, I'm not a fan of the French language, We fight wars against the French and... sorry I’m rambling) Any way, I think that the Mearas are sort of a special breed of Horses. Seeing as they were bred from a horse from Valinor. So, if Huan (The Hound Of Valinor) had survived and had offspring, they may have become a special breed of wolf. __________________ I think that if you want facts, then The Downer Newspaper is probably the place to go. I know! I read it once. THE PHANTOM AND ALIEN: The Legend of the Golden Bus Ticket... Last edited by Hookbill the Goomba; 04-11-2004 at 07:35 AM.

04-10-2004, 06:03 AM	#2
Firefoot Illusionary Holbytla Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 7,547	I'm pretty sure that only Felaróf could understand Men. I don't remember anything about any other Mearas being able to do so. And also, Felaróf wasn't able to speak to Men, he could just understand their language, if my understanding is correct.

04-10-2004, 07:11 AM	#4
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Considering the elvish gift of linguistics, is it outside the realm of possibility that an elven rider and a Mearas (we'll say part-Mearas to meet Tolkien's canon) would be able to communicate with each other? Legolas talked to his non-Mearas horse.

04-10-2004, 01:14 PM	#7
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	The Mearas were a great breed of horse that lived as long as men, but there is speculation that they were descended from Valinorian horses. That would certainly make them special.