Annoying Amateurs - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Araswooon · 03-29-2004, 03:25 AM

Hello Bookworms.

Aawwwww I think your being very unfair to all them "newbies" to Lord Of The Rings. They had probably never read the books before the film came out, so give them a break eh?

I'm new to it myself, well slightly. I read the books when i was 12 and really loved them, and ever since i've been a fan of Tolkien, but i'm not as clued up as you lot. Since i joined several LOTR messageboards i've read Tolkien experts posts like yourselfs and have learned a great deal from people like you. I still get confused and ask daft questions, but unlike some i did know about the Trilogy before the film came out so i did know what was happening and who was who and so on. Please don't take the mick though because i'm sure they would have liked to have known the truth if you had told them without mocking them.

More people are starting to read the book because of seeing the film now, so please understand them a bit better, eh?

I'm impressed by all your knowledge by the way..

Bêthberry · 03-29-2004, 08:39 AM

This is a rather tardy reply to Nynnd1's comment:

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I have been looking for a copy of the Tom Bombadil book for ages but havent found one, and bombadil is my favourite character. is it worth tracking down or should i wait for a copy to find me.

Lyta has kindly given a source in The Tolkien Reader but "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" can also be found in the volume of faery tales, Tales from the Perilous Realm, a Harper Collins paperback, ISBN 0 261 10343 1. I rather like the cover, with its reverse chiaroscuro of black background with white shaded figures from the tales (a bit like my avatar, if I might with modesty point that out). I am fond of reading the stories in this collection because it highlights Tolkien's very good, to my mind, lecture "On Fairy-Stories."

The selection on Tom is really a collection of verse rather than prose story, but they all belong to the realm of faery. For your information, a blurb on the back of the book from The Listener calls TAoTB "Something close to genius."

Sirithheruwen · 03-29-2004, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Araswooon

More people are starting to read the book because of seeing the film now, so please understand them a bit better, eh?

I'm impressed by all your knowledge by the way..

These aren't the people we are talking about - in fact, I for one quite admire them and cheer them on! The people we're talking about are the people who have only seen the movies and think they are right about EVERYTHING. For example, some people think Tom Bombadil doesn't exist because he isn't in the movies. Or, when you tell them that Frodo sold Bag End to the Sackville-Baginnses, and went to "live" in Crickhollow, they: 1) Deny the existance of the Sackville-Bagginses, 2) Deny that Frodo sold Bag End, and 3) Deny the existance of Crickhollow, simply on the basis that "it wasn't in the movies." And THEN, they say, "And you call yourself a LOTR fan!" (And this is all based on experiance.)

Araswooon · 03-29-2004, 12:41 PM

Hello Sirithheruwen.

yeah i guess your right. So did you like the film? Did you prefer the book? What would you have included in the film?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 03-29-2004, 11:58 PM

Nope not where I come from. They watch the movies, enjoy Legs or the fight scenes, then forget Tolkien ever existed. Zwing!

A consolation is that no-one here claims to know everything. No annoying amateurs.

bilbo_baggins · 03-30-2004, 08:19 AM

So, Nilpaurion Felagund, are you saying that because we don't think we know it all, we prove therefore that we are not amatuers?

Nice Sig, but confusing...

Thorongil · 03-30-2004, 09:07 AM

I think it is important to separate amateurs from ANNOYING amateurs. An amateur is a person who wants to read books and learn more, but an annoying amateur doesen't have to read, because they claim to know everything.

Araswooon · 03-30-2004, 12:30 PM

Well thats a relief Thorongil i'm an ameteur in your eyes then. I loved the films and book, and i want to learn more. When i read all your imput and facts on the book, i'm really impressed. I also enjoy reading about what had happened to the Charactors after the Ring was destroyed, amazing and very brilliantly done. Tolkien is indeed a remarkable man.

Kimberley xxx

03-29-2004, 03:25 AM	#1
Araswooon Newly Deceased Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rivendell Posts: 10	Your all being unfair.. Hello Bookworms. Aawwwww I think your being very unfair to all them "newbies" to Lord Of The Rings. They had probably never read the books before the film came out, so give them a break eh? I'm new to it myself, well slightly. I read the books when i was 12 and really loved them, and ever since i've been a fan of Tolkien, but i'm not as clued up as you lot. Since i joined several LOTR messageboards i've read Tolkien experts posts like yourselfs and have learned a great deal from people like you. I still get confused and ask daft questions, but unlike some i did know about the Trilogy before the film came out so i did know what was happening and who was who and so on. Please don't take the mick though because i'm sure they would have liked to have known the truth if you had told them without mocking them. More people are starting to read the book because of seeing the film now, so please understand them a bit better, eh? I'm impressed by all your knowledge by the way.. __________________ "For Frodo"

03-29-2004, 12:41 PM	#4
Araswooon Newly Deceased Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rivendell Posts: 10	Hello Sirithheruwen. yeah i guess your right. So did you like the film? Did you prefer the book? What would you have included in the film? __________________ "For Frodo"

03-29-2004, 11:58 PM	#5
Nilpaurion Felagund Scion of The Faithful Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The brink, where hope and despair are akin. [The Philippines] Posts: 5,312	Annoying Amateurs. Nope not where I come from. They watch the movies, enjoy Legs or the fight scenes, then forget Tolkien ever existed. Zwing! A consolation is that no-one here claims to know everything. No annoying amateurs. __________________ フェンリス鴨 (Fenrisu Kamo) The plot, cut, defeated. I intend to copy this sig forever - so far so good...

03-30-2004, 08:19 AM	#6
bilbo_baggins Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2003 Location: In my front hallway, grabbing my staff, about to head out my door Posts: 275	So, Nilpaurion Felagund, are you saying that because we don't think we know it all, we prove therefore that we are not amatuers? Nice Sig, but confusing... __________________ "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow, and with more knowledge comes more grief."

03-30-2004, 09:07 AM	#7
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	I think it is important to separate amateurs from ANNOYING amateurs. An amateur is a person who wants to read books and learn more, but an annoying amateur doesen't have to read, because they claim to know everything. __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

03-30-2004, 12:30 PM	#8
Araswooon Newly Deceased Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rivendell Posts: 10	Well thats a relief Thorongil i'm an ameteur in your eyes then. I loved the films and book, and i want to learn more. When i read all your imput and facts on the book, i'm really impressed. I also enjoy reading about what had happened to the Charactors after the Ring was destroyed, amazing and very brilliantly done. Tolkien is indeed a remarkable man. Kimberley xxx __________________ "For Frodo"