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Old 03-20-2004, 01:17 AM   #1
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That's why after grasping the suspicions as to possible quote, I've started tranlsating backwards - English to Hungarion. If the result was in any way reminiscent of the words in your translation, I counted it as the ten mark and went on.

Now is my turn to torment you, than So it is Georgian:


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mSvenieria! – Tqva ________. – magram am dilas rgolebis gamosaSvebad ar mcxela – Tavgadasavals vawyob da kidev erTi monawile mWirdeba, misi monaxva ki arc Tu ise advilia.
mSvenieria=verry pretty
rgolebi=rings
Tavgadasavali=adventure

I think you've got enough clues to work it out
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Old 03-22-2004, 02:09 AM   #2
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I think this is Gandalf again:
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Very pretty!" said Gandalf. "But I have no time to blow smoke-rings this morning. I am looking for someone to share in an adventure that I am arranging, and it's very difficult to find anyone.
(I found an online Georgian lexicon, and a description of the grammar, but it was the fonts that defeated me in the end. So, I had to guess.)

From the grammar:
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dagvalevinebdito ("'you would give it to us to drink', he said") may be broken down into the following grammatical units: da-gv-a-lev-in-eb-d-i-t-o preverb – indirect object marker – pre-radical vowel – verb root (-lev- "drink") – causative marker – present/future stem formant – stem augment – screeve marker – plural marker – indirect speech marker.
Yipes! This agglutination is far, far worse than anything I have ever experienced in Hungarian (at least 4 words are needed for this).
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Old 03-22-2004, 02:49 AM   #3
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fonts re: that's why I transliterate it in Latin

Online lexicon re: I should have said back in one of my previous: That is, I reckon, why there is no Georgian online dictionary whatsoever (as far as I know)

Would you mind providing a link? I'm curious to take a glance

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Yipes! This agglutination is far, far worse than anything I have ever experienced in Hungarian
I feel somehow proud (silly of me, I know, yet still). We have even a word with 7 consonants in a row (the unique thing to the best of my knowledge):

vbrdgvnit - we tear it apart right now (used as a battlecry by yours truly in various competitions to bring good luck about, usually shouted by a team with hands held together, what with Georgian reputation, must have been giving opponents willies all right )

I should say also that similar thing may be found in Arabic as well (though languages are not related whatsoever, even if we have picked up a lot of arabic words, what with Arab invasion back in 7th century and what not), where one should know the stem to find thing in the dictionary (as the words are listed by the stem letter, not by one they actually start with, so 'fa'ala', 'mif'al' and 'Tafa'ul" will all be found on the F page, under f'l stem

I should confess in trickery too - I used an idiom in a tranlsation too (so it is not word to word) - ar mcxela - literally means "I do not feel hot", and may be translated as "I have no time for that", but in a bit of a rural way (not the expression to be uttered whilst, say, attending an official meeting, but has a lot go in between in casual conversation

So, after torturing you for half a page, I finally has driven to the point

You are right, pray proceed
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Old 03-22-2004, 03:35 AM   #4
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This is the Georgian lexicon that I found by following the links from yourDictionary.com

As Hungarian and English are the only languages that I feel comfortable translating into, I will have to subject you to some more magyarul:
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Nem koldus módra, mondta _______, hanem, mondjuk, a kószák kapitányának módjára, aki nem szokott városokhoz, koházakhoz.
Clues. koldus = beggar, kószák = rangers, and the worst agglutination is -akhoz/okhoz = to the (something, plural)
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Old 03-22-2004, 03:46 AM   #5
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Tolkien

Is it this one?

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"Not a beggar, said Aragorn, say a captain of the Rangers , who are unused to cities and houses of stone."
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Old 03-22-2004, 03:50 AM   #6
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Too easy, I see. Please proceed.
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Old 03-22-2004, 04:28 AM   #7
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Too easy, I see. Please proceed
If it weren't for the clues, I wouldn't have found it in a 1000 years...

New one, Dutch again...

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"Luister naar me, Heer!"zei hij, "Nu voelen we het gevaar waarvoor we gewaarschuwd waren. Zijn we dan naar de overwinning gereden, enkel om versteld te staan door een oude leugenaar met honing op zijn gevorkte tong?"
If clues are needed, let me know.
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that'd be Eomer to Theoden at Saruman's door:

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Lord, hear me!' he said. 'Now we feel the peril that we were warned of. Have we ridden forth to victory, only to stand at last amazed by an old liar with honey on his forked tongue
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