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Fingolfin II · 03-13-2004, 10:56 PM

I was wondering, after Dior is slain what would happen to him and also Elured and Elurin? Would they die or stay in Mandos or what? Do you think they'd get a choice what kindred they are in or anything? I know there's a thread of half-elven mortality somewhere but it doesn't seem to address this issue.

NightKnight · 03-14-2004, 04:20 AM

I've thought of a similar question. If Dior hadn't been slain, would he have died after a hundred years or so like a man, or would he have lived on like the elves?

Hot, crispy nice hobbit · 03-14-2004, 08:30 AM

I think this has been discussed sometime before... under the thread: Eldarion...

http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthr...light=Eldarion

symestreem · 03-18-2004, 03:28 PM

I have something to add:
Wasn't Luthien half-elven?
Also, why do you think Manwe said that those with mortal blood would be mortal? Were elves and men not meant to marry in great numbers?
Perhaps it took extraordinary elves and men. Look at the examples.

Voralphion · 03-18-2004, 07:56 PM

Lutien was half elven, but since both parents were immortal, it had no consequence of her fate.
It was decreed that all those with mortal blood would be mortal, because mortality was a gift to men by Illuvatar, and that after death they would leave the world. All of those with mortal blood were given the gift and so were mortal.
Back to the original question, when Dior was slain, his spirit would have gone to the place all spirits of men go to. Same for his sons, they would not have gotten a choice to belong to what kindred to belong to as that choice was only given to Earendil, Elwing, Elros, Elrond and his children.
Nightknight: If Dior wasn't slain he would have died eventually like all men.

symestreem · 03-19-2004, 07:56 PM

Voralphion, Dior was slain before Manwe made his decree. Therefore, he was neither elven nor human; he was simply quarterelven.

03-13-2004, 10:56 PM	#1
Fingolfin II Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Where you want me to be Posts: 1,036	Half-elves (again!) I was wondering, after Dior is slain what would happen to him and also Elured and Elurin? Would they die or stay in Mandos or what? Do you think they'd get a choice what kindred they are in or anything? I know there's a thread of half-elven mortality somewhere but it doesn't seem to address this issue. __________________ Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.

03-14-2004, 04:20 AM	#2
NightKnight Lost among the Stars Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hiding in Childhood (Sweden) Posts: 2,690	I've thought of a similar question. If Dior hadn't been slain, would he have died after a hundred years or so like a man, or would he have lived on like the elves? __________________ There are three kinds of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

03-14-2004, 08:30 AM	#3
Hot, crispy nice hobbit Wight Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Troll's larder Posts: 195	I think this has been discussed sometime before... under the thread: Eldarion... http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthr...light=Eldarion __________________ 'He wouldn't make above a mouthful,' said William, who had already had a fine supper, 'not when he was skinned and boned.'

03-18-2004, 07:56 PM	#5
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	Lutien was half elven, but since both parents were immortal, it had no consequence of her fate. It was decreed that all those with mortal blood would be mortal, because mortality was a gift to men by Illuvatar, and that after death they would leave the world. All of those with mortal blood were given the gift and so were mortal. Back to the original question, when Dior was slain, his spirit would have gone to the place all spirits of men go to. Same for his sons, they would not have gotten a choice to belong to what kindred to belong to as that choice was only given to Earendil, Elwing, Elros, Elrond and his children. Nightknight: If Dior wasn't slain he would have died eventually like all men. __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

03-18-2004, 03:28 PM	#4
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	I have something to add: Wasn't Luthien half-elven? Also, why do you think Manwe said that those with mortal blood would be mortal? Were elves and men not meant to marry in great numbers? Perhaps it took extraordinary elves and men. Look at the examples.

03-19-2004, 07:56 PM	#6
symestreem Face in the Water Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 728	Voralphion, Dior was slain before Manwe made his decree. Therefore, he was neither elven nor human; he was simply quarterelven.