A Hunting Eagle??? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Leyrana Silumiel · 02-13-2004, 08:53 AM

Hiya! I've been chugging along in my thorough re-reading of LOTR, and taking thorough notes for my thesis. I stumbled across a passage, and I'm not sure it holds any significance, but it would seem to me that it may.

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There were many birds about the cliffs and the rock-chimneys, and all day high in the air flocks of birds had been circling, black against the pale sky. As they lay in their camp that day Aragorn watched the flights doubtfully, wondering if Gollum had been doing some mischief and the news of their voyage was now moving in the wilderness. Later as the sun was setting, the Company was stirring and getting ready to start again, he descried a dark spot against the fading light: a great bird high and far off, now wheeling, now flying on slowly southwards.

'What is that, Legolas?' he asked, pointing to the norther sky. 'Is it, as I think, an eagle?'

'Yes,' said Legolas. 'It is an eagle, a hunting eagle. I wonder what that forebodes. It is far from the mountains.'

I've checked for other references to this eagle, but I couldn't find one. I must have somehow missed this passage on every other reading of LOTR that I've done (or else then I didn't see the possible significance of it). Anyone have any clue what it could refer to or signify?

Dunadun · 02-13-2004, 10:30 AM

It's my assumption that the eagle was maybe hunting for the others. Like a lioness in a pride of lions. Maybe his job was to bring back a good quantity of food for the others or maybe that's wrong completely and he was scouting to see the activities of Mordor.

Leyrana Silumiel · 02-13-2004, 10:43 AM

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It's my assumption that the eagle was maybe hunting for the others. Like a lioness in a pride of lions. Maybe his job was to bring back a good quantity of food for the others or maybe that's wrong completely and he was scouting to see the activities of Mordor.

What would be the significance in showing this, though? Could the eagle have been a spy for Mordor, sort of like the Crebain?

Finwe · 02-13-2004, 12:03 PM

No.... definitely not. The Eagles would be the last race to serve Sauron, since they are directly "affiliated" with Manwë. The Eagle could have just been hunting for food. After all, they need to eat too!

burrahobbit · 02-13-2004, 03:04 PM

An eagle hunting evil things. They did that sometimes back then.

Dunadun · 02-13-2004, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by Finwe
No.... definitely not. The Eagles would be the last race to serve Sauron, since they are directly "affiliated" with Manwë.

That's not what i meant. I meant that he was spying against Mordor. Maybe preparing for the battle ahead.

Finwe · 02-13-2004, 06:26 PM

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originally posted by Dunadun
What would be the significance in showing this, though? Could the eagle have been a spy for Mordor, sort of like the Crebain?

I assumed that you meant that the Eagle was spying for Sauron.

Kransha · 02-13-2004, 06:38 PM

Well, eagles are too noble to be spies by definition. I believe he was a scout. When Legolas says..

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"I wonder what that forebodes. It is far from the mountains."

...He most likely already knows what it forebodes, or could guess. The eagle could be a watcher in these dark times, far from his homeland to keep an eye on the shadows of Mordor or the lands that were under its evil veil. No hidden intents and purposes here as far as I can see, only some sensible symbolism in omnipresent aviary form.

Dunadun · 02-14-2004, 02:49 PM

Well, yeah, that's kinda what I meant.

Earendilyon · 02-14-2004, 03:10 PM

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What would be the significance in showing this, though?

I think the significance is mainly to show that the whole of Middle-earth is in turmoil and awaiting war and sufferance. We see all kinds of creatures on their way preparing for war or watching their territories. Even the Eagles are on the move!

Leyrana Silumiel · 02-15-2004, 01:08 PM

Ah-ha! I found it! I think I skimmed over it when I was looking ahead to find out what the eagle was supposed to be: (all bold emphasis is mine)

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'What do you wish to know?' said Aragorn. 'All that has happened since we parted on the bridge would be a long tale. Will you not first give us news of the hobbits? Did you find them, and are they safe?'

'No, I did not find them,' said Gandalf. 'There was a darkness over the valleys of the Emyn Muil, and I did not know of their captivity, until the eagle told me.'

'The eagle!' said Legolas. 'I have seen an eagle high and far off: the last time was three days ago, above the Emyn Muil.'

'Yes,' said Gandalf, 'that was Gwaihir the Windlord, who rescued me from Orthanc. I sent him before me to watch the River and gather tidings....'

Hope this clears that up, at least. ^_^

02-13-2004, 10:30 AM	#2
Dunadun Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ...my...computer Posts: 11	It's my assumption that the eagle was maybe hunting for the others. Like a lioness in a pride of lions. Maybe his job was to bring back a good quantity of food for the others or maybe that's wrong completely and he was scouting to see the activities of Mordor. __________________ We're not schitso we just disagree alot.

02-13-2004, 12:03 PM	#4
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	No.... definitely not. The Eagles would be the last race to serve Sauron, since they are directly "affiliated" with Manwë. The Eagle could have just been hunting for food. After all, they need to eat too! __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

02-13-2004, 03:04 PM	#5
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	An eagle hunting evil things. They did that sometimes back then. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

02-14-2004, 02:49 PM	#9
Dunadun Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ...my...computer Posts: 11	Well, yeah, that's kinda what I meant. __________________ We're not schitso we just disagree alot.