The Ruins of Hollin - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Ainahithiel of Mirkwood · 10-25-2002, 09:15 PM

what is the town they pass in the movie and is it in the book. I have heard from several sorces that it is the ruins of Hollin. Can any one clarify what that is??

Scapegoat · 10-26-2002, 01:19 AM

You need to be more specific about what part of the movie you are describing.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 10-26-2002, 06:26 AM

Are you talking about the place they walk through right before the "Crebain from Dunland!" scene?It could well be.

Diamond18 · 10-26-2002, 11:01 AM

Yes, it is Hollin. It says so on the map. Here is more info on it from "The Complete Guide to Middle-earth" by Robert Foster: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Eregion: Land in Eriador between the Rivers Glanduin and Bruinen, settled about SA 750 by the Gwaith-i-Mírdain [people-of-the-jewel-smiths i.e. Celebrimbor and his people]. It's chief city was Ost-in-Edhil [city-of-the-Elves]. Eregion was laid waste in 1697 during the War of the Elves and Sauron. Called in Westron, Hollin. The land had many holly trees. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So in actuality the ruins you see in the movie are Ost-in-Edhil.In the book they do not mention seeing the ruins themselves, but they discuss Hollin in a few places. I like this one: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> [Gandalf] "...There is a wholesome air about Hollin. Much evil must befall a country before it wholly forgets the Elves, if once they dwelt there.""That is true," said Legolas. "But the Elves of this land were of a race strange to us silvan folk [Noldor], and the trees and the grass do not now remember them. Only I hear the stones lament them; deep they delved us, fair they wrought us, high they builded us; but they are gone. They are gone. They sought the Havens long ago." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The brackets are mine and the italics are Tolkien's.[ October 26, 2002: Message edited by: Diamond18 ]

10-25-2002, 09:15 PM	#1
Ainahithiel of Mirkwood Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Helm's Deep Posts: 26	The Ruins of Hollin what is the town they pass in the movie and is it in the book. I have heard from several sorces that it is the ruins of Hollin. Can any one clarify what that is?? __________________ "Bygones be and lovers part, I'm asking you to leave my heart. Go in peace, harm to none, my new life, has now begun"

10-26-2002, 06:26 AM	#3
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Are you talking about the place they walk through right before the "Crebain from Dunland!" scene?<P>It could well be. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

10-26-2002, 11:01 AM	#4
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Yes, it is Hollin. It says so on the map. Here is more info on it from "The Complete Guide to Middle-earth" by Robert Foster:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Eregion: Land in Eriador between the Rivers Glanduin and Bruinen, settled about SA 750 by the Gwaith-i-Mírdain [people-of-the-jewel-smiths i.e. Celebrimbor and his people]. It's chief city was Ost-in-Edhil [city-of-the-Elves]. Eregion was laid waste in 1697 during the War of the Elves and Sauron. Called in Westron, Hollin. The land had many holly trees. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>So in actuality the ruins you see in the movie are Ost-in-Edhil.<P>In the book they do not mention seeing the ruins themselves, but they discuss Hollin in a few places. I like this one:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> [Gandalf] "...There is a wholesome air about Hollin. Much evil must befall a country before it wholly forgets the Elves, if once they dwelt there."<P>"That is true," said Legolas. "But the Elves of this land were of a race strange to us silvan folk [Noldor], and the trees and the grass do not now remember them. Only I hear the stones lament them; <I>deep they delved us, fair they wrought us, high they builded us; but they are gone.</I> They are gone. They sought the Havens long ago." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The brackets are mine and the italics are Tolkien's.<p>[ October 26, 2002: Message edited by: Diamond18 ] __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

10-26-2002, 01:19 AM	#2
Scapegoat Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New England Posts: 18	You need to be more specific about what part of the movie you are describing.