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Mattius · 02-10-2003, 05:13 PM

In TTT Faramir gets a map out of Rohan, Gondor and Mordor and says to a Gondorian soldier that, "Sauron attacks Gondor from the east and Sauraman attacks Rohan from the west." But hang on, how the hell would he know this. It happened only a few days before and it took even Gandalf on Shadowfax at least two days to travel from Rohan to Gondor. Also, Theoden told Aragorn that no messengers would be sent to Minas Tirith for help at Helms Deep. Therefore Denethor doesn't know about Saurman's attack on Rohan.I guess what im trying to say is this: WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!?[ February 10, 2003: Message edited by: Mattius ]

Tar-Palantir · 02-10-2003, 06:32 PM

possibility 1) Denethor has a Palantirpossibility 2) Gandalf sent a riderpossibility 3) Faramir is in league with Saruman[ February 10, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

Calliope and Linus S. Underhill. · 02-10-2003, 06:45 PM

It's the palatir one. This was posted on a mistake site. Chances are, if Denethor's been chatting via the palantir, he knows something about Saruman's plot.

Dunlondion · 02-11-2003, 01:17 AM

Wouldn't Farimir know that saruman had betrayed them before the battle of helms deep

eleanor_niphredil · 02-11-2003, 11:56 AM

Along the same lines, Theoden goes of in his little "where was Gondor" rant. Now, if he didnt send out riders, how could he of informed Gondor of the situation? Surley he did not know of the palantir in Minas Tirith?

HCIsland · 02-11-2003, 12:01 PM

A few weeks ago, during a moment of boredom, I put together a Two Towers time line. It ain't perfect, but as far as the Faramir questions mentioned above, it works.<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/hcisland/tttime.htm" TARGET=_blank>Time Line</A>H.C.

the real findorfin · 02-11-2003, 12:55 PM

i think Faramir might simply mean that Saruman is attacking Rohan in general terms and not actually Helm's Deep. I mean, Saruman had been destroying Rohan (Eomer said so) for some time before the battle. This must have been noticed by Gondor.

Tar-Palantir · 02-11-2003, 01:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Surley he did not know of the palantir in Minas Tirith? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He wouldn't learn from Theoden. There was a Palantir in Orthanc, with Saruman. So that is how Denethor would see it.And though it cannot be proven filmwise, I think Gandalf was smart enough to send word to Gondor. Remember when Eomer brought the Uruk helm with the mark of the White Hand to Theoden? At this point Saruman's treachery is common knowledge to the people of Rohan (who's villages were being sacked), Eomer and the Riders of the Mark, Theoden, Gandalf, Aragorn, etc.... Plenty of candidates to somehow get the word to Gondor. Faramir did not know Saruman was attacking Helm's Deep, just that he was attacking Rohan, which began much earlier than the battle of the Hornburg.Maybe Arwen appeared in Faramir's dreams and told him!! [ February 11, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ]

02-10-2003, 05:13 PM	#1
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	Big Easy MistakeTo Spot In TTT Faramir gets a map out of Rohan, Gondor and Mordor and says to a Gondorian soldier that, "Sauron attacks Gondor from the east and Sauraman attacks Rohan from the west." But hang on, how the hell would he know this. It happened only a few days before and it took even Gandalf on Shadowfax at least two days to travel from Rohan to Gondor. Also, Theoden told Aragorn that no messengers would be sent to Minas Tirith for help at Helms Deep. Therefore Denethor doesn't know about Saurman's attack on Rohan.<P>I guess what im trying to say is this: WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!?<p>[ February 10, 2003: Message edited by: Mattius ] __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

02-10-2003, 06:32 PM	#2
Tar-Palantir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: napa valley, ca Posts: 496	possibility 1) Denethor has a Palantir<P>possibility 2) Gandalf sent a rider<P>possibility 3) Faramir is in league with Saruman<p>[ February 10, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ] __________________ History shows again and again How nature points up the folly of men Go, go, Godzilla!

02-10-2003, 06:45 PM	#3
Calliope and Linus S. Underhill. Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The Computer Posts: 17	It's the palatir one. This was posted on a mistake site. Chances are, if Denethor's been chatting via the palantir, he knows something about Saruman's plot. __________________ What an abominable notion! ~Frodo

02-11-2003, 11:56 AM	#5
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 805	Along the same lines, Theoden goes of in his little "where was Gondor" rant. Now, if he didnt send out riders, how could he of informed Gondor of the situation? Surley he did not know of the palantir in Minas Tirith? __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~

02-11-2003, 12:01 PM	#6
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	A few weeks ago, during a moment of boredom, I put together a Two Towers time line. It ain't perfect, but as far as the Faramir questions mentioned above, it works.<P><A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/hcisland/tttime.htm" TARGET=_blank>Time Line</A><P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

02-11-2003, 01:17 AM	#4
Dunlondion Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21	Wouldn't Farimir know that saruman had betrayed them before the battle of helms deep

02-11-2003, 12:55 PM	#7
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	i think Faramir might simply mean that Saruman is attacking Rohan in general terms and not actually Helm's Deep. I mean, Saruman had been destroying Rohan (Eomer said so) for some time before the battle. This must have been noticed by Gondor. __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

02-11-2003, 01:04 PM	#8
Tar-Palantir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: napa valley, ca Posts: 496	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Surley he did not know of the palantir in Minas Tirith? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>He wouldn't learn from Theoden. There was a Palantir in Orthanc, with Saruman. So that is how Denethor would see it.<P>And though it cannot be proven filmwise, I think Gandalf was smart enough to send word to Gondor. Remember when Eomer brought the Uruk helm with the mark of the White Hand to Theoden? At this point Saruman's treachery is common knowledge to the people of Rohan (who's villages were being sacked), Eomer and the Riders of the Mark, Theoden, Gandalf, Aragorn, etc.... Plenty of candidates to somehow get the word to Gondor. Faramir did not know Saruman was attacking Helm's Deep, just that he was attacking Rohan, which began much earlier than the battle of the Hornburg.<P>Maybe Arwen appeared in Faramir's dreams and told him!! <p>[ February 11, 2003: Message edited by: Tar-Palantir ] __________________ History shows again and again How nature points up the folly of men Go, go, Godzilla!