Ways TTT Could've been worse - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Iarwain · 01-04-2003, 06:20 PM

Many people (including myself) have a hard time really liking the movie. But on the other hand, there are so many ways that the movie could have been a lot worse than it was. Name some! Laughing Merrily, Iarwain

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 01-04-2003, 06:29 PM

Well, there are a lot of ways. For one, instead of keping the title The Two Towers, what if they made it The Twin Towers? I don't know what I'd do if they did that, and it wouldn't be something nice at all.

Faye Took · 01-04-2003, 06:30 PM

Having the movie nowhere NEAR the book. Having different actors for the parts. No special affects. Umm soo many!

Iarwain · 01-04-2003, 06:37 PM

Ive got one!Frodo and Sam never meet Gollum, and Faramir leads them to Minas Tirith.

Brinniel · 01-05-2003, 04:27 AM

Aragorn falls for Eowyn. Theoden drops dead at Helm's Deep.

Elanor · 01-05-2003, 08:28 AM

If you find yourself thinking negative thoughts about the film, just say to yourself the words "Walt Disney Pictures presents... Lord of the Rings." *shudder*

Cherie Centaur · 01-05-2003, 09:07 AM

Elanor, that was perfect! Anyway, Here are a couple of ways the movie could've been worse:1. Leaving out Treebeard 2. Faramir actually taking the ring 3. Replacing Eowyn with Arwen *shudders* 4. Making Saruman die at Helm's Deep 5. Gandalf bringing Boromir to life 6. Sam and Smeagol falling in love 7. Giving no hint towards Shelob's Lair 8. Gandalf turning evil 9. Aragorn, by marrying Eowyn, becoming Prince of Rohan 10.Gimli or Legolas dying at Helm's DeepI hope I haven't given you nightmares, Cherie

01-05-2003, 09:17 AM

or.... Gollum was played by a monkey. or... Gandalf is killed again, and comes back as Gandalf the red.

Cherie Centaur · 01-05-2003, 10:27 AM

I just thought of two more:11. Eomer NEVER is seen after he meets Aragorn&co. 12. Sauron's army is a bunch of posies

-Imrahil- · 01-05-2003, 06:46 PM

Bad special effects would have messed it up pretty good. So many possibilities!

Gorwingel · 01-05-2003, 07:02 PM

This one is not a funny one, but a kind of serious one. In the LOTR:TTT movie photo guide (it was a movie book that kind of told the story of TTT for younger people), one of the alternate parts that Peter Jackson actually considered putting in the movie, was a part where Faramir leads Frodo and Sam through the Sewers of Osgiliath, so that they don't get captured by Saurons forces which are attacking the area(I am sure about the beginning but not sure why he was leading them) I would not have liked that because that even makes the story more different from the book, and adds unwanted things to the story.

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 01-05-2003, 07:41 PM

I got some more. Theoden's head turns around while Gandalf is playing the exorcist. Haldir lives. (I mean come on, the elves should pay dearly if they show up when the're not supposed to) Hehe, just kidding about that. Grima actually rapes Eowyn or something. Theoden kills Grima, or bette-oh, no, worse yet, Gandalf, Aragorn, and the rest start cheering him on to end Grima's life. Instead of making Gollum have a split personality, they make him as two separate characters, or siamese twins. When the horse find's Aragorn on the shore, Aragorn thinks it's Arwen and starts groping with it until he opens his eyes. That would be funny, but still it would make TTT worse. Treebeard is a bush, not a tree. (Bushbeard- lol) If the wargs were actually hyenas and not comp. generated. If Gimli did a 'stand-up' or an improv at Helms Deep before the battle. And much much more...[ January 05, 2003: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ]

Iarwain · 01-05-2003, 09:23 PM

Good stuff, my friends. Very good stuff.

Faye Took · 01-05-2003, 10:00 PM

It could all be claymation (which I hate) or computerized. Hmm oh some much stuff! LoL. Hmm...the nazgul took the ring. Sam dying (that would not be good). Hmm I'll post more if I think of anything.

Brinniel · 01-05-2003, 10:22 PM

Yes, yes. Then it would be Walt Disney Pictures and Pixar present....The Lord of the Rings. Even better!

Faye Took · 01-05-2003, 10:27 PM

Whoa weird thought! Micky could be Aragorn, Minnie Arwen, Donald Gollum, Goofy Legolas...Oh wow lol.

Kalimac · 01-06-2003, 02:00 AM

I'm in full agreement about the Walt Disney thing but Pixar is their one good aspect; actual amusing stories, not being whacked over the head with the moral, etc. Maybe not LOTR, but I can see Pixar doing a good children's "Hobbit" (certainly better than the one out there now).Things the would have made TTT worse, where do I begin...Faramir actually grabs the Ring from Frodo.Frodo and Sam actually meet Denethor and thus have to produce an even more unlikely escape than they have with Faramir. Gandalf the White Rider shows up to save the day, and next to him is...Arwen!In an effort to make the story more shaded and artsy, Eomer is portrayed as a swaggering bully while Wormtongue is his saintly, much put-upon whipping boy who turns to Saruman out of sheer desperation.A soft-focus fantasy scene where Grima imagines life with Eowyn (If it were Disney, the song would be "If She Loved Me")In an effort to bring 1970s-style feminism to Middle Earth, Eowyn gives Aragorn a lecture about how the women of Rohan can defend themselves so get away with you, OK?Pippin, watching the Entmoot, can't think of anything except trying to steal apples or pears from the appropriate Ents.

Lady_Báin · 01-06-2003, 09:38 AM

well willie that was disturbing okay frodo dies and arwen finds him but can't save him this time, then she herself must take the ring to mordor. make faramir seem greedy and tempted by the ring, oh wait they did that one didn't they hmmmmat the nazgul/frodo scene the nazgul leans i nand says "i didn't drown in the river......... frodo i am your father"

Thingol1000 · 01-06-2003, 12:58 PM

got this from another site but here it goes;The King Nazgul is overheard saying "do you have this in pink?"

01-06-2003, 10:22 PM

I thought the movie kicked some major arse. Sure, Helm's Deep was only a dozen or so pages or that the Ents took days to decide to help versus being "tricked" in a sense, but the Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind vary so much more and are still excellent movies. Put it this way. If those movies weren't as good as they are, it's very possible that not as many people would know the story today. Years from now, even people who haven't read the books will still know the story. I was very impressed with Jackson.

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 01-06-2003, 11:59 PM

Ok Arwen the Evenstar...And what was it you said that would make TTT worse?

Alex Chamois · 01-07-2003, 05:52 AM

Eowyn removed completely, and Arwen kills the witch-king.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 01-08-2003, 06:54 AM

Not much, but there is one thing: They could have ended with a shot of the American flag, with the words "God Bless America" superimposed over it, and with The Star-Spangled Banner as sound-track, then exhorted the audience to buy war bonds (cf the rather silly article quoted <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002645" TARGET=_blank>here</A>). This could have suddenly cut across the original footage, obviously having been spliced in just prior to release.

01-04-2003, 06:20 PM	#1
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Ways TTT Could've been worse Many people (including myself) have a hard time really <I>liking</I> the movie. But on the other hand, there are so many ways that the movie could have been a lot worse than it was. Name some! <P><BR>Laughing Merrily,<BR>Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

01-04-2003, 06:29 PM	#2
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Well, there are a lot of ways. For one, instead of keping the title The Two Towers, what if they made it The Twin Towers? I don't know what I'd do if they did that, and it wouldn't be something nice at all. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

01-04-2003, 06:30 PM	#3
Faye Took Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 343	Having the movie nowhere NEAR the book. Having different actors for the parts. No special affects. Umm soo many! __________________ Dream-of the ones who came before. They are calling from across a distant shore. My Blog

01-04-2003, 06:37 PM	#4
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Ive got one!<P>Frodo and Sam never meet Gollum, and Faramir leads them to Minas Tirith. __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

01-05-2003, 04:27 AM	#5
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Aragorn falls for Eowyn. Theoden drops dead at Helm's Deep. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum Last edited by Brinniel; 07-13-2009 at 09:28 AM.

01-05-2003, 08:28 AM	#6
Elanor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: my own corner of the Shire Posts: 316	If you find yourself thinking negative thoughts about the film, just say to yourself the words "Walt Disney Pictures presents... Lord of the Rings." shudder __________________ "When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading." Henny Youngman (1906 - )

01-05-2003, 09:07 AM	#7
Cherie Centaur Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cottage Cheese near the Gap Posts: 95	Elanor, that was perfect! <P>Anyway, Here are a couple of ways the movie could've been worse:<P>1. Leaving out Treebeard<BR>2. Faramir actually taking the ring<BR>3. Replacing Eowyn with Arwen shudders<BR>4. Making Saruman die at Helm's Deep<BR>5. Gandalf bringing Boromir to life<BR>6. Sam and Smeagol falling in love <BR>7. Giving no hint towards Shelob's Lair<BR>8. Gandalf turning evil<BR>9. Aragorn, by marrying Eowyn, becoming Prince of Rohan<BR>10.Gimli or Legolas dying at Helm's Deep<P>I hope I haven't given you nightmares,<BR>Cherie __________________ Why do we let the monkey slide for popping the weasel? Just because he thought it was fun? Guys, we're dealing with a psycho.

01-05-2003, 09:17 AM	#8
Benny Guest Posts: n/a	or.... Gollum was played by a monkey.<BR>or... Gandalf is killed again, and comes back as Gandalf the red.

01-05-2003, 10:27 AM	#9
Cherie Centaur Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cottage Cheese near the Gap Posts: 95	I just thought of two more:<P>11. Eomer NEVER is seen after he meets Aragorn&co.<BR>12. Sauron's army is a bunch of posies __________________ Why do we let the monkey slide for popping the weasel? Just because he thought it was fun? Guys, we're dealing with a psycho.

01-05-2003, 06:46 PM	#10
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	Bad special effects would have messed it up pretty good. So many possibilities! __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

01-05-2003, 07:02 PM	#11
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	This one is not a funny one, but a kind of serious one. In the LOTR:TTT movie photo guide (it was a movie book that kind of told the story of TTT for younger people), one of the alternate parts that Peter Jackson actually considered putting in the movie, was a part where Faramir leads Frodo and Sam through the Sewers of Osgiliath, so that they don't get captured by Saurons forces which are attacking the area(I am sure about the beginning but not sure why he was leading them)<BR>I would not have liked that because that even makes the story more different from the book, and adds unwanted things to the story. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

01-05-2003, 07:41 PM	#12
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	I got some more. <P>Theoden's head turns around while Gandalf is playing the exorcist.<BR>Haldir lives. (I mean come on, the elves should pay dearly if they show up when the're not supposed to) Hehe, just kidding about that. <BR>Grima actually rapes Eowyn or something.<BR>Theoden kills Grima, or bette-oh, no, worse yet, Gandalf, Aragorn, and the rest start cheering him on to end Grima's life.<BR>Instead of making Gollum have a split personality, they make him as two separate characters, or siamese twins.<BR>When the horse find's Aragorn on the shore, Aragorn thinks it's Arwen and starts groping with it until he opens his eyes. That would be funny, but still it would make TTT worse.<BR>Treebeard is a bush, not a tree. (Bushbeard- lol)<BR>If the wargs were actually hyenas and not comp. generated.<BR>If Gimli did a 'stand-up' or an improv at Helms Deep before the battle.<BR>And much much more...<p>[ January 05, 2003: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ] __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

01-05-2003, 09:23 PM	#13
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Good stuff, my friends. Very good stuff. __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

01-05-2003, 10:00 PM	#14
Faye Took Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 343	It could all be claymation (which I hate) or computerized. Hmm oh some much stuff! LoL. Hmm...the nazgul took the ring. Sam dying (that would not be good). Hmm I'll post more if I think of anything. __________________ Dream-of the ones who came before. They are calling from across a distant shore. My Blog

01-05-2003, 10:22 PM	#15
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Yes, yes. Then it would be Walt Disney Pictures and Pixar present....The Lord of the Rings. Even better! __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

01-05-2003, 10:27 PM	#16
Faye Took Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 343	Whoa weird thought! Micky could be Aragorn, Minnie Arwen, Donald Gollum, Goofy Legolas...Oh wow lol. __________________ Dream-of the ones who came before. They are calling from across a distant shore. My Blog

01-06-2003, 02:00 AM	#17
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	I'm in full agreement about the Walt Disney thing but Pixar is their one good aspect; actual amusing stories, not being whacked over the head with the moral, etc. Maybe not LOTR, but I can see Pixar doing a good children's "Hobbit" (certainly better than the one out there now).<P>Things the would have made TTT worse, where do I begin...<P>Faramir actually grabs the Ring from Frodo.<P>Frodo and Sam actually meet Denethor and thus have to produce an even more unlikely escape than they have with Faramir. <P>Gandalf the White Rider shows up to save the day, and next to him is...Arwen!<P>In an effort to make the story more shaded and artsy, Eomer is portrayed as a swaggering bully while Wormtongue is his saintly, much put-upon whipping boy who turns to Saruman out of sheer desperation.<P>A soft-focus fantasy scene where Grima imagines life with Eowyn (If it were Disney, the song would be "If She Loved Me")<P>In an effort to bring 1970s-style feminism to Middle Earth, Eowyn gives Aragorn a lecture about how the women of Rohan can defend themselves so get away with you, OK?<P>Pippin, watching the Entmoot, can't think of anything except trying to steal apples or pears from the appropriate Ents. __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

01-06-2003, 09:38 AM	#18
Lady_Báin Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Peterborough, England Posts: 250	well willie that was disturbing <P>okay frodo dies and arwen finds him but can't save him this time, then she herself must take the ring to mordor. <P>make faramir seem greedy and tempted by the ring, oh wait they did that one didn't they hmmmm<P>at the nazgul/frodo scene the nazgul leans i nand says "i didn't drown in the river......... frodo i am your father" __________________ pæling.

01-06-2003, 12:58 PM	#19
Thingol1000 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 37	got this from another site but here it goes;<P>The King Nazgul is overheard saying "do you have this in pink?"<P>

01-06-2003, 10:22 PM	#20
Arwen the Evenstar Guest Posts: n/a	I thought the movie kicked some major arse. Sure, Helm's Deep was only a dozen or so pages or that the Ents took days to decide to help versus being "tricked" in a sense, but the Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind vary so much more and are still excellent movies. Put it this way. If those movies weren't as good as they are, it's very possible that not as many people would know the story today. Years from now, even people who haven't read the books will still know the story. I was very impressed with Jackson.

01-06-2003, 11:59 PM	#21
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Ok Arwen the Evenstar...And what was it you said that would make TTT worse? __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

01-07-2003, 05:52 AM	#22
Alex Chamois Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Melbourne Posts: 36	Eowyn removed completely, and Arwen kills the witch-king.

01-08-2003, 06:54 AM	#23
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Not much, but there is one thing: They could have ended with a shot of the American flag, with the words "God Bless America" superimposed over it, and with <I>The Star-Spangled Banner</I> as sound-track, then exhorted the audience to buy war bonds (cf the rather silly article quoted <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002645" TARGET=_blank>here</A>). This could have suddenly cut across the original footage, obviously having been spliced in just prior to release. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?