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davem · 01-03-2003, 08:49 AM

The idea that Frodo is the King who returns is an idea that struck me recently. I haven't formulated it completely, but the more I think about it the more correct it seems to me.<BR>There is a strong echo, but in a negative way, between Frodo's return to Hobbiton & Aragorn coming to Minas Tirith. I will have to think more deeply about why I'm so certain that Frodo is the 'king' who returns, but I can't shake the feeling its correct. Especially when taken in conjunction with the poem The Sea Bell (subtitled 'Frodo's Dreme'). It's all about Frodo, really, the whole tale. Frodo is the one who actually returns (back to the Shire). Aragorn doesn't really 'return' so much as arrive at M.T. Also, its just occured to me, the Hobbit subtitle - there & back again, about a journey & a return.<BR>I wouldn't want to push the Frodo = Jesus analogy, but Frodo is a kind of Everyman figure. No, I won't go back on it - Frodo is the King who returns! It makes sense to me. I'm prepared to be contradicted, but then maybe Tolkien did intend a comparison between Aragorn & Frodo, & the way they were recieved by 'their' people. Tolkien did contrast characters - ie Aragorn/Boromir, Gandalf/Saruman, Frodo/Gollum.<BR>I want someone to absolutley contradict me, & deny Frodo is the King who returns. I have a feeling that there's really something to it.<BR>Plus, if I am right, The Scouring of the Shire HAS to be put in the final movie, or it CAN'T really be The Return of the King.

01-03-2003, 08:49 AM	#8
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	The idea that Frodo is the King who returns is an idea that struck me recently. I haven't formulated it completely, but the more I think about it the more correct it seems to me.<BR>There is a strong echo, but in a negative way, between Frodo's return to Hobbiton & Aragorn coming to Minas Tirith. I will have to think more deeply about why I'm so certain that Frodo is the 'king' who returns, but I can't shake the feeling its correct. Especially when taken in conjunction with the poem The Sea Bell (subtitled 'Frodo's Dreme'). It's all about Frodo, really, the whole tale. Frodo is the one who actually returns (back to the Shire). Aragorn doesn't really 'return' so much as arrive at M.T. Also, its just occured to me, the Hobbit subtitle - there & back again, about a journey & a return.<BR>I wouldn't want to push the Frodo = Jesus analogy, but Frodo is a kind of Everyman figure. No, I won't go back on it - Frodo is the King who returns! It makes sense to me. I'm prepared to be contradicted, but then maybe Tolkien did intend a comparison between Aragorn & Frodo, & the way they were recieved by 'their' people. Tolkien did contrast characters - ie Aragorn/Boromir, Gandalf/Saruman, Frodo/Gollum.<BR>I want someone to absolutley contradict me, & deny Frodo is the King who returns. I have a feeling that there's really something to it.<BR>Plus, if I am right, The Scouring of the Shire HAS to be put in the final movie, or it CAN'T really be The Return of the King. __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."