*TTT - Éomer (Karl Urban)* - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Estelyn Telcontar · 12-17-2002, 10:23 AM

Tell us what you think of Éomer and the actor who plays him.

Diamond18 · 12-18-2002, 11:46 PM

I thought the actor and the portrayal of the character of Éomer was good, but he was left out of a lot of the movie, which was somewhat dissapointing.

Lush · 12-18-2002, 11:55 PM

Not enough screen-time for the saucy Karl Urban, I fear. I did, however, feel that he made the most out of his character "slot." Can't wait for the extended version.

-Imrahil- · 12-18-2002, 11:59 PM

Yes, they did leave him out way too much.

Morquesse · 12-19-2002, 12:06 AM

He has the right look of Eomer. He works well, I don't know why he works, he just does. I agree, he did not have enough time on the screen, but maybe in RotK! I think he over all works great! And I can't think of a single fault in his performance, or in Eomer himself! See ya! ~M[ December 19, 2002: Message edited by: Morquesse ]

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 12-19-2002, 05:29 AM

Fantastic vision of Eomer. But his amount of screentime was necessary for the adaptation of Helm's Deep. And come on, they sure made him a hero in the film.Alas for Erkenbrand! I really liked that guy.

The Silver-shod Muse · 12-19-2002, 03:20 PM

I loved him. I wish there had been more. Such a perfect fit... Hopefully we'll see him slay some orc on Pellenor Fields next year.

Túroch · 12-19-2002, 04:11 PM

If only his character had been given his rightfull role. Eomer's character and role would have been developed so much better if they had left him in Helms Deep where he belonged. Don't get me started about what they did to the Rohirrim in general, however they portrayed Eomer very well. He just needed WAY more scenes. Well not too many but at least more then Arwen had. I wish I had got to see him fight too. Grrrr.

-Imrahil- · 12-19-2002, 05:03 PM

They had BETTER include him in the battle of Pelennor fields. If they don't... I will throttle PJ just like Gollum does.

Shadowstrife911 · 12-20-2002, 04:39 PM

I thought his was good but I have a question. Earlier in the film, Eomer was imprisoned by Wormtongue was he not? If so then how did he and the entire army of the Rohirrim escape?

Diamond18 · 12-20-2002, 10:52 PM

He wasn't imprisoned, he was banished, along with the Riders of Rohan loyal to him. I guess that means all the Riders, then, because none of them were at Helm's Deep.

ReededGoat · 12-20-2002, 11:31 PM

Karl Urban rocks...his Eomer rocks...they didn't have to cut him out of Helm's Deep...if they wanted some exposition of the Theoden storyline, they could have had the riders come upon Aragorn and Co., then to Edoras and all that's happening there, then Eomer shows up, then he's imprisoned, then Aragorn and Co. show up, then Theoden comes to his senses, then Eomer is released, then he's at Helm's Deep. This banishment stuff is for the birds...I wanted to see the relationship between Eomer and Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas in the film. I wanted to see Aragorn and Eomer charging into the throng of orcs side by side. Oh well. I hope they let Karl have some screen time in ROTK...maybe he'll get to actually fight a little in the Pelennor.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 12-21-2002, 05:19 PM

Are people having a hard time realising that Eomer saved the day?

Túroch · 12-21-2002, 07:20 PM

In this new TTT it's was more like Gandalf sving the day while Eomer, peeps out around Gandalf's brilliant radiance. Besides becuase of his amazingly little screen time, most people hardly knew who he was.

Diamond18 · 12-21-2002, 09:04 PM

Éomer did save the day. Gandalf had to run off and fetch him, because Gandalf needed him and his Riders. I didn't look at it as him peeking around Gandalf's robes. There's a lot to pick on in this movie, but that moment was very good. It didn't quite make up for his lack of screen-time, but it was good in and of itself.

greyhavener · 12-21-2002, 10:58 PM

He was wonderful and I wish I'd seen more of him. Try as I might I can't understand the logic behind some of the changes from the book.

-Imrahil- · 12-22-2002, 01:35 AM

I loved Eomer. Great job by the actor.PJ probably changed the movie to keep the story simpler, non Tolkienites might get confused between the Ents and the Huorns so PJ was thinking I'll send Eomer off and then he'll save the day with Gandalf.I think it worked quite well.[ December 22, 2002: Message edited by: -Imrahil- ]

the mortal elf · 12-22-2002, 11:56 AM

I love the real Eomer and his wonderful portrayal by the actor. I agree that he should have had more scenes, but I'm not complaining. Did anyone notice that Theoden half-stole his line? "Let this be the hour when we draw our swords together" *grumble grumble* I still liked the character they gave him though, like when he was threatening Wormtongue...hehehe...

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 12-22-2002, 01:46 PM

Theoden also stole his "Now for wrath, now for ruin" line. I don't care that no-one else in the world cares about it except me, this will detract from the Pellenor!I just want to reiterate my feelings that Eomer was the natural replacement for Erkenbrand in the movie.

Arwen Imladris · 01-01-2003, 01:17 PM

he had blond hair, I am happy.

doug*platypus · 01-02-2003, 04:57 AM

Movieomer was THE MAN!!! Go, Karl Urban! Such a shame that he was pushed into a more minor role, though. Surely after taking so much trouble to introduce him, it would have made more sense movie-wise to give him the place at Helm's Deep he so richly deserved? I'd love to hear PJ's thoughts on the topic, maybe something like:"We thought it was more important to bring a familiar character back from FOTR, so we made the Elves march hundreds of miles south from Lorien, at the same time as the men who actually lived in Rohan are riding hundreds of miles north. We actually have a cut scene where they wave as they go past each other, which will be in the Extended DVD." <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I just want to reiterate my feelings that Eomer was the natural replacement for Erkenbrand in the movie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Maybe Eomer could have replaced movieGamling, and movieGamling could have replaced Erkenbrand. If the original story had been kept then at least Theodred's death would not have seemed so random.Nitpick: I thought Eomer's hair looked fake when it was draped across his face in one shot while he was talking to Aragorn.

Arwen Imladris · 06-07-2003, 01:46 PM

Today, June 7th is Karl Urban's (Eomer) Birthday! Karl was born on June 7th, 1972 in Wellington, New Zealand. That makes him 31 today! Happy Birthday Karl!

The Only Real Estel · 06-07-2003, 02:20 PM

My friend and I both agree that he looks VERY cool. I thought they should've just left him in at Helm's Deep, but oh well. To bad for us...again.

Meela · 06-07-2003, 05:34 PM

He looked ruggedly handsome, he's a fantastically wild soldier, and he delivered his lines with conviction and with the heart and courage of a valiant man. I don't think there was a lot at fault with his performance. His appearance at Helm's Deep, although not a correct one from what I hear, definitely had me cheering for him.

HCIsland · 06-07-2003, 06:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I thought they should've just left him in at Helm's Deep, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> But then who would Gandalf have gone out to find? Erkenbrand? Then they would have had to take the time to set up this character, the scattering of the forces of Rohan after the lose at the Battle of Fords of Isen. They couldn't have gone straight from Edoras to Helm's Deep but instead would have had to ride to war at the fords or else how would the characters learn what happened to Erkenbrand and his forces? This would have taken a lot of screen time for no reason.Even the Baski film, which tended to stay very true to the book for the scenes that they showed, recognized how messy this would be and replaced Erkenbrand with Eomer.H.C.

Frodo 007 · 06-10-2003, 01:25 AM

I reckon Karl Urban plays a really really really good Eomer!!! He is such a great actor!!!

12-17-2002, 10:23 AM	#1
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	*TTT - Éomer (Karl Urban)* Tell us what you think of Éomer and the actor who plays him. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

12-18-2002, 11:46 PM	#2
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	I thought the actor and the portrayal of the character of Éomer was good, but he was left out of a lot of the movie, which was somewhat dissapointing. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-18-2002, 11:55 PM	#3
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	Not enough screen-time for the saucy Karl Urban, I fear. I did, however, feel that he made the most out of his character "slot." Can't wait for the extended version. __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

12-18-2002, 11:59 PM	#4
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	Yes, they did leave him out way too much. __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

12-19-2002, 12:06 AM	#5
Morquesse Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Past the fields we know.... Posts: 202	He has the right look of Eomer. He works well, I don't know why he works, he just does. <BR>I agree, he did not have enough time on the screen, but maybe in RotK!<BR>I think he over all works great! And I can't think of a single fault in his performance, or in Eomer himself! <BR>See ya!<BR>~M<p>[ December 19, 2002: Message edited by: Morquesse ] __________________ I'm not ashamed to let you know I want this light in me to show. I'm not ashamed to speak the name of Jesus Christ.~Newsboys

12-19-2002, 05:29 AM	#6
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Fantastic vision of Eomer. But his amount of screentime was necessary for the adaptation of Helm's Deep. And come on, they sure made him a hero in the film.<P>Alas for Erkenbrand! I really liked that guy. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

12-19-2002, 03:20 PM	#7
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	I loved him. I wish there had been more. Such a perfect fit... Hopefully we'll see him slay some orc on Pellenor Fields next year. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

12-19-2002, 04:11 PM	#8
Túroch Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State University Posts: 102	If only his character had been given his rightfull role. Eomer's character and role would have been developed so much better if they had left him in Helms Deep where he belonged. Don't get me started about what they did to the Rohirrim in general, however they portrayed Eomer very well. He just needed WAY more scenes. Well not too many but at least more then Arwen had. I wish I had got to see him fight too. Grrrr. __________________ For the valour of the Edain the Elves shall ever remember as the ages lengthen, marvelling that they gave life so freely of which thay had on earth so little. But it is not for thy valour only that I send thee, but to bring into the world a hope beyond thy sight, and a light that shall pierce the darkness." Ulmo - Lord of waters

12-19-2002, 05:03 PM	#9
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	They had BETTER include him in the battle of Pelennor fields. If they don't... I will throttle PJ just like Gollum does. __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

12-20-2002, 04:39 PM	#10
Shadowstrife911 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 30	I thought his was good but I have a question. Earlier in the film, Eomer was imprisoned by Wormtongue was he not? If so then how did he and the entire army of the Rohirrim escape? __________________ "It needs more to make a king than a piece of elvish glass, or a rabble such as this." -the Mouth of Sauron

12-20-2002, 10:52 PM	#11
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	He wasn't imprisoned, he was banished, along with the Riders of Rohan loyal to him. I guess that means all the Riders, then, because none of them were at Helm's Deep. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-20-2002, 11:31 PM	#12
ReededGoat Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 32	Karl Urban rocks...his Eomer rocks...they didn't have to cut him out of Helm's Deep...if they wanted some exposition of the Theoden storyline, they could have had the riders come upon Aragorn and Co., then to Edoras and all that's happening there, then Eomer shows up, then he's imprisoned, then Aragorn and Co. show up, then Theoden comes to his senses, then Eomer is released, then he's at Helm's Deep. This banishment stuff is for the birds...I wanted to see the relationship between Eomer and Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas in the film. I wanted to see Aragorn and Eomer charging into the throng of orcs side by side. Oh well. I hope they let Karl have some screen time in ROTK...maybe he'll get to actually fight a little in the Pelennor.

12-21-2002, 05:19 PM	#13
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Are people having a hard time realising that Eomer saved the day? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

12-21-2002, 07:20 PM	#14
Túroch Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Oklahoma State University Posts: 102	In this new TTT it's was more like Gandalf sving the day while Eomer, peeps out around Gandalf's brilliant radiance. Besides becuase of his amazingly little screen time, most people hardly knew who he was. __________________ For the valour of the Edain the Elves shall ever remember as the ages lengthen, marvelling that they gave life so freely of which thay had on earth so little. But it is not for thy valour only that I send thee, but to bring into the world a hope beyond thy sight, and a light that shall pierce the darkness." Ulmo - Lord of waters

12-21-2002, 09:04 PM	#15
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	Éomer did save the day. Gandalf had to run off and fetch him, because Gandalf needed him and his Riders. I didn't look at it as him peeking around Gandalf's robes. There's a lot to pick on in this movie, but that moment was very good. It didn't quite make up for his lack of screen-time, but it was good in and of itself. __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-21-2002, 10:58 PM	#16
greyhavener Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: austin Posts: 169	He was wonderful and I wish I'd seen more of him. Try as I might I can't understand the logic behind some of the changes from the book. __________________ Do justly, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8

12-22-2002, 01:35 AM	#17
-Imrahil- Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dol Amroth, upon the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 259	I loved Eomer. Great job by the actor.<P>PJ probably changed the movie to keep the story simpler, non Tolkienites might get confused between the Ents and the Huorns so PJ was thinking I'll send Eomer off and then he'll save the day with Gandalf.<P>I think it worked quite well.<p>[ December 22, 2002: Message edited by: -Imrahil- ] __________________ My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset!

12-22-2002, 11:56 AM	#18
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	I love the real Eomer and his wonderful portrayal by the actor. I agree that he should have had more scenes, but I'm not complaining. Did anyone notice that Theoden half-stole his line? "Let this be the hour when we draw our swords together" grumble grumble I still liked the character they gave him though, like when he was threatening Wormtongue...hehehe... __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

12-22-2002, 01:46 PM	#19
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Theoden also stole his "Now for wrath, now for ruin" line. I don't care that no-one else in the world cares about it except me, this will detract from the Pellenor!<P>I just want to reiterate my feelings that Eomer was the natural replacement for Erkenbrand in the movie. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-01-2003, 01:17 PM	#20
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	he had blond hair, I am happy. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

01-02-2003, 04:57 AM	#21
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Movieomer was THE MAN!!! Go, Karl Urban! Such a shame that he was pushed into a more minor role, though. Surely after taking so much trouble to introduce him, it would have made more sense movie-wise to give him the place at Helm's Deep he so richly deserved? I'd love to hear PJ's thoughts on the topic, maybe something like:<P>"We thought it was more important to bring a familiar character back from FOTR, so we made the Elves march hundreds of miles south from Lorien, at the same time as the men who actually lived in Rohan are riding hundreds of miles north. We actually have a cut scene where they wave as they go past each other, which will be in the Extended DVD."<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I just want to reiterate my feelings that Eomer was the natural replacement for Erkenbrand in the movie. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Maybe Eomer could have replaced movieGamling, and movieGamling could have replaced Erkenbrand. If the original story had been kept then at least Theodred's death would not have seemed so random.<P>Nitpick: I thought Eomer's hair looked fake when it was draped across his face in one shot while he was talking to Aragorn. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

06-07-2003, 01:46 PM	#22
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Today, June 7th is Karl Urban's (Eomer) Birthday! Karl was born on June 7th, 1972 in Wellington, New Zealand. That makes him 31 today! Happy Birthday Karl! __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

06-07-2003, 02:20 PM	#23
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	My friend and I both agree that he looks VERY cool. I thought they should've just left him in at Helm's Deep, but oh well. To bad for us...again.

06-07-2003, 05:34 PM	#24
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	He looked ruggedly handsome, he's a fantastically wild soldier, and he delivered his lines with conviction and with the heart and courage of a valiant man. I don't think there was a lot at fault with his performance. His appearance at Helm's Deep, although not a correct one from what I hear, definitely had me cheering for him. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard. Last edited by Meela; 11-26-2004 at 01:29 PM.

06-07-2003, 06:37 PM	#25
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I thought they should've just left him in at Helm's Deep, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>But then who would Gandalf have gone out to find? Erkenbrand? Then they would have had to take the time to set up this character, the scattering of the forces of Rohan after the lose at the Battle of Fords of Isen. They couldn't have gone straight from Edoras to Helm's Deep but instead would have had to ride to war at the fords or else how would the characters learn what happened to Erkenbrand and his forces? This would have taken a lot of screen time for no reason.<P>Even the Baski film, which tended to stay very true to the book for the scenes that they showed, recognized how messy this would be and replaced Erkenbrand with Eomer.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

06-10-2003, 01:25 AM	#26
Frodo 007 Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wellington, New Zealand (Middle-Earth Baby Yeah!!!) Posts: 85	I reckon Karl Urban plays a really really really good Eomer!!! He is such a great actor!!! __________________ Elen Sila Lúmenn' Omentielvo