*TTT - Faramir (David Wenham)* - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Cherie Centaur · 12-23-2002, 11:16 AM

I saw TTT last night and I'm still really mad, but GreyIstar's and others' posts have calmed me down some. I personally believe that they ruined Faramir. He was one of the main reasons I watched the movie. Because of the crime PJ did to Faramir I started to see other carnage he made in the movie. FoTR was so much better. I'm now going over the conversation between Frodo and Faramir to review good times. I don't see how they can recover Faramir in the next film without deleting what's already there. Remember they still have to stick in the fight with Shelob and the aftermath of the attack on Isengard. Not to mention Aragorn and Pippen peeking into the palentir. I also have to say that one thing that falters the whole Faramir consulting with Denethor thing is he's on the verge of death through most of the book. There are many things that disgusted me in the movie but that was the worst.(P.S.- This is the passage that I think shows Faramir's true character in TTT: " 'But fear no more! I would not take this thing if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory. No, I do not wish for such triumphs, Frodo son of Drogo.' 'Neither did the Council,'said Frodo. 'Nor do I. I would have nothing to do with these matters.' 'For myself,'said Faramir, 'I would see the White Tree in flower again in the courts of the kings, and the Silver Crown return, and Minas Tirith in peace: Minas Anor again as of old, full of light, high and fair, beautiful as a queen among other queens: not a mistress of many slaves, nay, not even a kind mistress of willing slaves. War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend: the city of the Men of Numenor; and I would have her loved for her memory, her ancientry, her beauty, and her present wisdom. Not feared, save as men may fear the dignity of a man, old and wise. 'So fear me not! I do not ask you to tell me more. I do not even ask you to tell me whether I speak nearer the mark. But if you will trust me, it may be that I can advise you in your present quest, whatever that be--yes, and even aid you.' " There is no way PJ's Faramir could've said that and meant it. Though it isn't the actor's fault. He acted his part well.[ December 23, 2002: Message edited by: Cherie Centaur ]

12-23-2002, 11:16 AM	#11
Cherie Centaur Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cottage Cheese near the Gap Posts: 95	I saw TTT last night and I'm still really mad, but GreyIstar's and others' posts have calmed me down some. <P>I personally believe that they ruined Faramir. He was one of the main reasons I watched the movie. Because of the crime PJ did to Faramir I started to see other carnage he made in the movie. FoTR was so much better. <P>I'm now going over the conversation between Frodo and Faramir to review good times. I don't see how they can recover Faramir in the next film without deleting what's already there. <P>Remember they still have to stick in the fight with Shelob and the aftermath of the attack on Isengard. Not to mention Aragorn and Pippen peeking into the palentir. I also have to say that one thing that falters the whole Faramir consulting with Denethor thing is he's on the verge of death through most of the book. <P>There are many things that disgusted me in the movie but that was the worst.<P>(P.S.- This is the passage that I think shows Faramir's true character in TTT:<BR> " 'But fear no more! I would not take this thing if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory. No, I do not wish for such triumphs, Frodo son of Drogo.'<BR> 'Neither did the Council,'said Frodo. 'Nor do I. I would have nothing to do with these <BR>matters.'<BR> 'For myself,'said Faramir, 'I would see the White Tree in flower again in the courts of the kings, and the Silver Crown return, and Minas Tirith in peace: Minas Anor again as of old, full of light, high and fair, beautiful as a queen among other queens: not a mistress of many slaves, nay, not even a kind mistress of willing slaves. War must be, while we defend our lives against a destroyer who would devour all; but I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend: the city of the Men of Numenor; and I would have her loved for her memory, her ancientry, her beauty, and her present wisdom. Not feared, save as men may fear <BR>the dignity of a man, old and wise.<BR> 'So fear me not! I do not ask you to tell me more. I do not even ask you to tell me <BR>whether I speak nearer the mark. But if you will trust me, it may be that I can advise you in your present quest, whatever that be--yes, and even aid you.' "<BR> There is no way PJ's Faramir could've said that and meant it. Though it isn't the actor's fault. He acted his part well.<p>[ December 23, 2002: Message edited by: Cherie Centaur ] __________________ Why do we let the monkey slide for popping the weasel? Just because he thought it was fun? Guys, we're dealing with a psycho.