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Old 08-06-2003, 12:04 PM   #35
Nils
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Nils, I am confused about where you got an idea about punishment from what I have written.
This is what led me to believe that you thought that those who chose to do evil things were going to be some how punished.
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Good point, Nils. But..... then someone with a handicap (a corrupted hroa in some way) could claim that as justification for doing something against the will of Eru?
Why is there the need to claim a justification (or defense) for doing something against the will of Eru?

Now on to the next point:

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My point is the evil is in the choice, not the hroa or the fea. Hroa are just molocules and cannot be evil.
According to Tolkien, this is not true. I posted the quote twice already, but I'll do it again:

From Morgoth's Ring:

Melkor ‘incarnated’ himself (as Morgoth) permanently. He did this so as the control the hroa, and ‘flesh’ or physical matter, of Arda. He attempted to identify himself with it. A vaster, and more perilous, procedure, though of similar sort to the operations of Sauron with the Rings. Thus, outside the Blessed Realm, all ’matter’ was likely to have a ’Melkor ingredient’, and those who had bodies, nourish by the hroa of Arda, had as it were a tendency, small or great, toward Melkor: they were none of them wholly free of him in their incarnate from, and their bodies had an effect upon their spirits.

[ August 06, 2003: Message edited by: Nils ]
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