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***Gilthalion*** · 04-09-2001, 11:04 AM

LOTR is mightily good, but not sacred! To say that "nothing is sacred" and that no movie should ever be made is a rather extreme opinion! Provacative posts provoke! While I hardly think there can be much more appreciation for the genius of Tolkien's effort than I hold, I do not consider it to be "sacred!" That's a word used to describe that which is holy or consecrated to the worship of God Almighty. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. --J.R.R. Tolkien (Letter #131)<hr></blockquote> As mentioned before, if Tolkien himself did not object to the idea itself of movies being made, why should anyone else? His letters contain many thoughts on the very subject. Sorry to offend! (Sincerely!) The dissenting opinion, in this case, seems unreasonable and even supercilious. Which is more accurate than to say "whining." I might respect YOU(y'all), and I certainly respect your RIGHT to an opinion, but I might not respect the OPINION itself. (I quite honestly don't understand what is meant when someone says I should "respect" ANY opinion from ANY person. By that do you mean that opinions should not be classified negatively or positively, or that there should be no opinions about opinions at all, or that no dissenting opinions of dissenting opinions should be posted?) If I walk into a Star Trek convention and tell them that The Next Generation should never have been made (not to mention the movies, novels, comic books and merchandise!) and that only the old classic Star Trek episodes filmed in the 1960's are worth watching, I would not expect that to be considered a worthy and valued opinion, though I might hope that the Trekkies would not think ill of me personally. And to be honest, having walked into a convention of Trekkies (who would be first of all indignant I did not call them "Trekkers&quot

and haughtily told them what I thought of what they clearly anticipated and enjoyed, I might not myself enjoy hearing their opinion of my opinion about their opinion! (I might even whine about that!) Now, if I were to argue with them that the movies were not as good as the series, for various ascetic reasons, they might even accord my opinion some validity (and me some respect). But just to flat out deny the viability of the cinema to tell the tales... ...they might well take it that I did not think their opinion valid (obviously I don't if I dissent). And if I present my dissenting opinion in a supercillious fashion, then they might not think that I even respected them! Then, they might say something like, "What? Oh, just quit your whining and enjoy the convention!" (If they don't say something worse...) And my 12" Gandalf action-figure with Kung-Fu grip and life-like hair had better have both a sword that glows in proximity to orc action-figures AND a staff that shoots sparks! Not to mention a hat and pipe! (I doubt I'll buy the Happy Meal...) Merry and Pippin had BETTER be taller than Frodo and Sam... And if Gollum's eyes don't glow in the dark... What do you mean $19.95!!!!!!! <center> <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">Barrow-Downs</a>~<a href="http://www.geocities.com/robertwgardner2000">Bare Bones</a>~<a href="http://pub41.ezboard.com/btarostineruhir">Tar Ost-in-Eruhir</a>~<a href="http://www.geocities.com/robertwgardner2000/gilthalion.html">Grand Adventures</a>~<a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com/fanfichobbits.asp">The Hobbits</a>~<a href="http://www.tolkientrail.com">Tolkien Trail</a> </center>

04-09-2001, 11:04 AM	#11
*Gilthalion* Hobbitus Emeritus Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: South Farthing Posts: 635	<BR> LOTR is mightily good, but not sacred!</b><br><br> To say that "nothing is sacred" and that no movie should ever be made is a rather extreme opinion!<br> <br> Provacative posts provoke!<br> <br> While I hardly think there can be much more appreciation for the genius of Tolkien's effort than I hold, I do not consider it to be "sacred!" That's a word used to describe that which is holy or consecrated to the worship of God Almighty.<br> <br> <blockquote><i>Quote:</i></b><hr> I would draw some of the great tales in fullness, and leave many only placed in the scheme, and sketched. The cycles should be linked to a majestic whole, and yet leave scope for other minds and hands, wielding paint and music and drama. <br> <br> --J.R.R. Tolkien (Letter #131)<hr></blockquote><br> <br> As mentioned before, if Tolkien himself did not object to the idea itself of movies being made, why should anyone else? His letters contain many thoughts on the very subject.<br> <br> Sorry to offend! (Sincerely!)<br> <br> The dissenting opinion, in this case, <i> seems</i> unreasonable and even supercilious. Which is more accurate than to say "whining." I might respect YOU(y'all), and I certainly respect your RIGHT to an opinion, but I might not respect the OPINION itself.<br> <br> (I quite honestly don't understand what is meant when someone says I should "respect" ANY opinion from ANY person. By that do you mean that opinions should not be classified negatively or positively, or that there should be no opinions about opinions at all, or that no dissenting opinions of dissenting opinions should be posted?)<br> <br> If I walk into a Star Trek convention and tell them that The Next Generation should never have been made (not to mention the movies, novels, comic books and merchandise!) and that only the old classic Star Trek episodes filmed in the 1960's are worth watching, I would not expect that to be considered a worthy and valued opinion, though I might hope that the Trekkies would not think ill of me personally.<br> <br> And to be honest, having walked into a convention of Trekkies (who would be first of all indignant I did not call them "Trekkers&quot and haughtily told them what I thought of what they clearly anticipated and enjoyed, I might not myself enjoy hearing their opinion of my opinion about their opinion! (I might even whine about that!)<br> <br> Now, if I were to argue with them that the movies were not as good as the series, for various ascetic reasons, they might even accord my opinion some validity (and me some respect). But just to flat out deny the viability of the cinema to tell the tales...<br> <br> ...they might well take it that I did not think their opinion valid (obviously I don't if I dissent). And if I present my dissenting opinion in a supercillious fashion, then they might not think that I even respected them! Then, they might say something like, "What? Oh, just quit your whining and enjoy the convention!" (If they don't say something worse...)<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> And my 12" Gandalf action-figure with Kung-Fu grip and life-like hair had better have both a sword that glows in proximity to orc action-figures AND a staff that shoots sparks! Not to mention a hat and pipe! (I <i> doubt</i> I'll buy the Happy Meal...) Merry and Pippin had BETTER be taller than Frodo and Sam... And if Gollum's eyes don't glow in the dark... What do you mean $19.95!!!!!!! <p><center> <a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com">Barrow-Downs</a>~<a href="http://www.geocities.com/robertwgardner2000">Bare Bones</a>~<a href="http://pub41.ezboard.com/btarostineruhir">Tar Ost-in-Eruhir</a>~<a href="http://www.geocities.com/robertwgardner2000/gilthalion.html">Grand Adventures</a>~<a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com/fanfichobbits.asp">The Hobbits</a>~<a href="http://www.tolkientrail.com">Tolkien Trail</a> </center></p> __________________ Please read my fan fiction novel THE HOBBITS. Wanna hear me read Tolkien? Gilthalion's Grand Adventures!