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**lindil** · 09-30-2002, 03:20 PM

going w/ the accepted Doriathrin origin of Celeborn I recall that in some obscure corner of UT [ and delightfully yhey are legion]we hear of Celeborn descended from one Elmo a minor[non-ruling] brother of Elwe[Thingol] and Olwe. Actually that may be from HoME. Oropher was stated in UT I believe to have been from Doriath and as the Appendix states brought Sindar to Greenwood [originally in the south].

So one can erasonably infer that Elmo [if he stayed in M-E] and Celeborn were minor royalty in Doriath. If Oropher came to rule the Sindar who removed from Lindon then he was almost certainly of royal blood in Doriath. So though we can not pin it down, I would guess Elmo is the key and that Celeborn and Orophir were cousins of some kind.

This is all from memory so I could be wrong on any # of points. I will go check on the Elmo/Celeborn thing.

09-30-2002, 03:20 PM	#4
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	going w/ the accepted Doriathrin origin of Celeborn I recall that in some obscure corner of UT [ and delightfully yhey are legion]we hear of Celeborn descended from one Elmo a minor[non-ruling] brother of Elwe[Thingol] and Olwe. Actually that may be from HoME. Oropher was stated in UT I believe to have been from Doriath and as the Appendix states brought Sindar to Greenwood [originally in the south]. So one can erasonably infer that Elmo [if he stayed in M-E] and Celeborn were minor royalty in Doriath. If Oropher came to rule the Sindar who removed from Lindon then he was almost certainly of royal blood in Doriath. So though we can not pin it down, I would guess Elmo is the key and that Celeborn and Orophir were cousins of some kind. This is all from memory so I could be wrong on any # of points. I will go check on the Elmo/Celeborn thing. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.