The Mouth of Sauron

[Balin999]

I don't think (s)he meant physically. Didn't they all have very similar cultures? Are any of those groups of orcs as different as elves and dwarves?

Hm I think that the Uruks were very different from the small Moria ones. The Uruks didn't even have the ability to develop an own culture because they were'nt born in the common way. They only knew Saruman as their ruler and in a way "god" if I may call it that way.

We don't know, but I CAN imagine that the orcs in Moria, for example, had the possibility to develop an own culture, such as worshipping Sauron, or, if that is possible, both worshipping and fearing the Balrog (since it was the only really strong ruler in the near surroundings).

[Edit: I forgot: I'm not sure about that, but I think that the different orc races also had different weapons and armour, and in my opinion this is a sure sign that they had different views of the world, thus having different cultures. (But well, one could say that the orcs of Mordor couldn't choose what to wear, because the slaves made their weapons or their blacksmiths, whatever. I mean; sauron or some other commander said which weapons were needed, the salves/blacksmiths crafted them)]

And, of course, they were looking quite different (though they were all ugly sons-of-a-b****)

I agree with that, though I believe there's more to it. Yes, there was diversity between the 'dark' races, but for the most part, they were all basically the same, all had the same goals. I don't think you can trully say that about the 'good' races.

I think that more or less all of the races in middle-earth had the same goals: Food, Drink, a warm home (don't laugh) and some leisure time. The difference was how they tried to acchieve it. The bad ones thought that it was funny to rob and murder the innocent.
And in the end, the good ones all had the same goal, well they had no other choice than to get rid of Sauron.

[ June 14, 2003: Message edited by: Balin999 ]