Do Elves have Magic? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

greywind · 07-13-2002, 11:00 AM

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It is said in "Of Beren and Lùthien" that the people of Nargothrond protected their kingdom with "wizardry and vonomed darts", and in the same chapter it is also clear that Lùthien had great powers of the kind that resembles art.

I think Tolkien meant that "elvish magic" was magic that could not change anything in reality, only change what you perceived... the other magic that the Valar and Maiar used did actual changes.

Whether the Valar/Maiar magic was good or not depended if the Valar/Maiar was so, and i think it is the same thing for "elvish magic", though it should have another name then...

So, this "put fear on folks" and opposite, cannot be called magic... rather powers.

So, you have the two kinds of magic, both good and bad, and in addition just "powers"... also both good and bad.

That is what i think.

07-13-2002, 11:00 AM	#9
greywind Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 22	Delay my last, good folks! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] It is said in "Of Beren and Lùthien" that the people of Nargothrond protected their kingdom with "wizardry and vonomed darts", and in the same chapter it is also clear that Lùthien had great powers of the kind that resembles art. I think Tolkien meant that "elvish magic" was magic that could not change anything in reality, only change what you perceived... the other magic that the Valar and Maiar used did actual changes. Whether the Valar/Maiar magic was good or not depended if the Valar/Maiar was so, and i think it is the same thing for "elvish magic", though it should have another name then... So, this "put fear on folks" and opposite, cannot be called magic... rather powers. So, you have the two kinds of magic, both good and bad, and in addition just "powers"... also both good and bad. That is what i think.