Melkor; Evil by Will or Evil by Nature? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Rimbaud · 05-12-2002, 02:50 PM

With reference to the argument that the inclusion of the evil or rather, disharmonious within the Song of Creation was fully intentional, I was reminded of a quote:

"The Enemy in successive forms is always 'naturally' concerned with sheer Domination, and so the Lord of magic and machines; but the problem: that this frightful evil can and does arise from an apparently good root, the desire to benefit the world and others* - speedily and according to the benefactor's own plans - is a recurrent motive."

*Not in the Beginner of Evil: his was a sub-creative Fall, and hence the Elves (the representatives of sub-creation par excellence) were peculiarly his enemies and the special objects of his desire and hate - and open to his deceits. Their Fall is into possessiveness and (to a lesser degree) into perverson of their art to power.

Letter to Milton Waldman, 1951, as printed in Letters, No. 131, pp.143-157

Although in discussion last week I pointed out that IMHO, omniscience assumes prescience and so all events have been approved by Eru beforehand...

A remarkably erudite and stimulating thread, ladies and gentlemen, keep it up.

[ May 12, 2002: Message edited by: Stephanos ]

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Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	With reference to the argument that the inclusion of the evil or rather, disharmonious within the Song of Creation was fully intentional, I was reminded of a quote: "The Enemy in successive forms is always 'naturally' concerned with sheer Domination, and so the Lord of magic and machines; but the problem: that this frightful evil can and does arise from an apparently good root, the desire to benefit the world and others* - speedily and according to the benefactor's own plans - is a recurrent motive." Not in the Beginner of Evil: his was a sub-creative Fall, and hence the Elves (the representatives of sub-creation par excellence) were peculiarly his enemies and the special objects of his desire and hate - and open to his deceits. Their Fall is into possessiveness and (to a lesser degree) into perverson of their art to power. Letter to Milton Waldman, 1951, as printed in Letters, No. 131, pp.143-157* Although in discussion last week I pointed out that IMHO, omniscience assumes prescience and so all events have been approved by Eru beforehand... A remarkably erudite and stimulating thread, ladies and gentlemen, keep it up. [ May 12, 2002: Message edited by: Stephanos ] __________________ And all the rest is literature