The Fall of Denethor

[Marileangorifurnimaluim]

[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] hahahahahahahha - Too true.
But dead horses are very appropriate for the barrow-downs don't you think?

Master Underhill and I are getting into very subtle points of cause and effect you see.

How much is good defined by intention, and how much by action? How predictable is the effect of an action, and how much is 20/20 hindsight? If we define good by the result, then the result has to be predictable.

Don't bail when it's starting to look past the character into fundamental principles.

Your original question hasn't been answered. We all just agree on what's clearly stated in the book: Denethor is "proud." No kidding. Gandalf said that 15 times. That's surface stuff.

There're brilliant minds behind the posts here: where's the line between good and evil? What's the criteria? Using Denethor as an example - who's more grey-zone than Gandalf the Grey - will define it, and finally tell us if Denethor's loss is tragic, and why.