Himling And Himring - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Meoshi · 03-04-2003, 04:08 PM

In the Northeast of ME, there is, off the coast, a small isle named 'Himling'. I notice that it is in roughly the same place as the Hill of Himring, fortress of Maedhros. Is there a connection? After all, Tol Morwen and Meneltarma survived great cataclysms. Could Maedhros' home have survived as well?

burrahobbit · 03-04-2003, 04:29 PM

They are the same.

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-05-2003, 03:08 AM

That wasn't the only Beleriandic region to survive. Tar-nu-fuin, the higlands of Dorthinion, and once home of Sauron and the 'stone of the hapless' where Morwen and Turin were laid buried and I think, Finduilas's grave, plus of course Lindon.

Meoshi · 03-05-2003, 08:30 PM

I know that, but what confuses me is that Himling is NEVER mentioned, or connected to Himring, in any Tolkien writing. I could be wrong, since, after all, I haven't read HoME.

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-06-2003, 02:53 AM

It's mentioned in Unfinished Tales.

Ailios · 03-06-2003, 03:00 PM

Himling is an earlier form of Himring, used in the pre-LotR versions of Silmarillion.

Adanadhel · 03-06-2003, 08:44 PM

It is also verified in "The Shaping of Middle Earth" - repeatedly.

Here is a link that overlaps ME in the 1st and 3rd age. It identifies common geography. It is not perfect but it is the best I have seen.

(I have linked it at tBD in the past but no one noticed)

Lalaith · 03-07-2003, 03:04 AM

Where's the link? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img]

Burzdol · 03-07-2003, 12:48 PM

Where does it say in those books?

~Burzdol~

Adanadhel · 03-09-2003, 03:41 PM

Very sorry... very sorry...

here is the map link combing the 1st and 3rd ages:
http://www.geocities.com/otsoandor/Bel_Eri.htm

As far as this question:

"Where does it say in those books?"

If this was asked of my referrences to "Shaping of ME", merely look inthe index. "Himiling, Hill of" has many page referrences. One of these is also to the "Island of Himring". Page 242 makes clear referrence that the two are one and the same.

Burzdol · 03-09-2003, 05:30 PM

Thanks, I'll check.

~Burzdol~

03-04-2003, 04:08 PM	#1
Meoshi Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atop the peak of Kalormë Posts: 163	Himling And Himring In the Northeast of ME, there is, off the coast, a small isle named 'Himling'. I notice that it is in roughly the same place as the Hill of Himring, fortress of Maedhros. Is there a connection? After all, Tol Morwen and Meneltarma survived great cataclysms. Could Maedhros' home have survived as well?

03-04-2003, 04:29 PM	#2
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	They are the same. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

03-05-2003, 03:08 AM	#3
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	That wasn't the only Beleriandic region to survive. Tar-nu-fuin, the higlands of Dorthinion, and once home of Sauron and the 'stone of the hapless' where Morwen and Turin were laid buried and I think, Finduilas's grave, plus of course Lindon. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

03-06-2003, 02:53 AM	#5
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	It's mentioned in Unfinished Tales. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

03-06-2003, 03:00 PM	#6
Ailios Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Forochel Posts: 28	Himling is an earlier form of Himring, used in the pre-LotR versions of Silmarillion. __________________ Ailios

03-05-2003, 08:30 PM	#4
Meoshi Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Atop the peak of Kalormë Posts: 163	I know that, but what confuses me is that Himling is NEVER mentioned, or connected to Himring, in any Tolkien writing. I could be wrong, since, after all, I haven't read HoME.

03-06-2003, 08:44 PM	#7
Adanadhel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New England Posts: 35	It is also verified in "The Shaping of Middle Earth" - repeatedly. Here is a link that overlaps ME in the 1st and 3rd age. It identifies common geography. It is not perfect but it is the best I have seen. (I have linked it at tBD in the past but no one noticed) __________________ I don't feel safe in Middle Earth no more... I don't want to die in the ruling ring war... I want to sail away to a distant shore... and make like an ELF man

03-07-2003, 03:04 AM	#8
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Where's the link? [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

03-07-2003, 12:48 PM	#9
Burzdol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Fair City of Rivendell Posts: 274	Where does it say in those books? ~Burzdol~ __________________ "Kill them all for all I care. You just keep that bow away from me!"

03-09-2003, 03:41 PM	#10
Adanadhel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New England Posts: 35	Very sorry... very sorry... here is the map link combing the 1st and 3rd ages: http://www.geocities.com/otsoandor/Bel_Eri.htm As far as this question: "Where does it say in those books?" If this was asked of my referrences to "Shaping of ME", merely look inthe index. "Himiling, Hill of" has many page referrences. One of these is also to the "Island of Himring". Page 242 makes clear referrence that the two are one and the same. __________________ I don't feel safe in Middle Earth no more... I don't want to die in the ruling ring war... I want to sail away to a distant shore... and make like an ELF man

03-09-2003, 05:30 PM	#11
Burzdol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Fair City of Rivendell Posts: 274	Thanks, I'll check. ~Burzdol~ __________________ "Kill them all for all I care. You just keep that bow away from me!"