The role of Fate in Middle Earth - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

***Mithadan*** · 02-27-2001, 05:21 PM

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Imp: Eru intervenes when asked by Manwe. Thus the drowning of Numenor. Aule's creation of the dwarves occurred early enough to be foretold by the Music. Clearly the actions of the Valar are, to some extent, influenced by fate, notwithstanding whether the Music was comprehensive or not.

Someone questioned whether the Music ended prematurely or just the vision. The vision clearly did. The Music? Not entirely sure. It seems to have ended earlier than planned and was likely less complete than it could have been. The disruption caused by Morgoth made many of the Ainur stop singing in dismay. This may support the "broad brush" concept of fate resulting from the Music. Or it may not. This is just an idea or theory which may or may not be correct.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>

02-27-2001, 05:21 PM	#25
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,394	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Spirit of Mist Posts: 663</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: .... Imp: Eru intervenes when asked by Manwe. Thus the drowning of Numenor. Aule's creation of the dwarves occurred early enough to be foretold by the Music. Clearly the actions of the Valar are, to some extent, influenced by fate, notwithstanding whether the Music was comprehensive or not. Someone questioned whether the Music ended prematurely or just the vision. The vision clearly did. The Music? Not entirely sure. It seems to have ended earlier than planned and was likely less complete than it could have been. The disruption caused by Morgoth made many of the Ainur stop singing in dismay. This may support the "broad brush" concept of fate resulting from the Music. Or it may not. This is just an idea or theory which may or may not be correct. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p> __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.