Gollum's Purpose/Motives (To Stir Things Up) - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

enep · 02-09-2001, 09:09 PM

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All good points, Z. However:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> "Well actually, the Ring wanted Gollum to think he was getting revenge, whilst really serving Saron.<hr></blockquote>
I don't quite understand that. Do you mean that the Ring was telling Gollum that he was getting revenge on his family while he was making his way to the Misty Mountains? Was he feeling sorry for himself so he ran away and let it build up within himself (his hatred build up, that is <img src=wink.gif ALT="

"> ) while the Ring was telling him that he was getting revenge? If he thought that he was getting revenge, then why didn't he go back? What was his original motive for moving into the Mountains? Was it him feeling sorry for himself, seeking somewhere solitary? Was it hunger? Was it hatred?

I can understand your point on Bilbo; I missed that. But the next one:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> "Why did he search for something he hated, and yet didn't want to destroy it, if it wasn't still driving him on?"<hr></blockquote>
Remember Saruman's words: "I hate it and you!"

Saruman wished to have the Ring, did he not? He lusted for power, just as Gollum did later on. Then why did he hate the Ring? Because he couldn't get it? Saruman would have never destroyed the Ring; neither would Gollum, because their lust for power and it was too strong. They both searched for the Ring, though, because they still wanted it. As long as they felt the need for power, for revenge, for control, they searched for it endlessly.

- enep</p>

02-09-2001, 09:09 PM	#11
enep The Ghastly Leprechaun Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 406	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 257</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Saruman All good points, Z. However: <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> "Well actually, the Ring wanted Gollum to think he was getting revenge, whilst really serving Saron.<hr></blockquote> I don't quite understand that. Do you mean that the Ring was telling Gollum that he was getting revenge on his family while he was making his way to the Misty Mountains? Was he feeling sorry for himself so he ran away and let it build up within himself (his hatred build up, that is <img src=wink.gif ALT=""> ) while the Ring was telling him that he was getting revenge? If he thought that he was getting revenge, then why didn't he go back? What was his original motive for moving into the Mountains? Was it him feeling sorry for himself, seeking somewhere solitary? Was it hunger? Was it hatred? I can understand your point on Bilbo; I missed that. But the next one: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> "Why did he search for something he hated, and yet didn't want to destroy it, if it wasn't still driving him on?"<hr></blockquote> Remember Saruman's words: "I hate it and you!"* Saruman wished to have the Ring, did he not? He lusted for power, just as Gollum did later on. Then why did he hate the Ring? Because he couldn't get it? Saruman would have never destroyed the Ring; neither would Gollum, because their lust for power and it was too strong. They both searched for the Ring, though, because they still wanted it. As long as they felt the need for power, for revenge, for control, they searched for it endlessly. - enep</p> __________________ - enep