Who's the oldest? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

lathspell · 09-22-2002, 02:15 PM

hey,

Evenstar1: Tolkien himself denied that Tom Bombadil was Iluvatar embodied, it was one of the few questions he would react to.

Aule indeed made the dwarves before Iluvatar had finished the Elves, yet the dwarves remained asleep and the Elves awakened first near lake Cuivienen. The Elves awoke the Ents by teaching them to speak and walk, as Treebeard points out in LotR. Tom was there before all this happened, and he is therefore oldest of M-e, yet the Ainur are eldest of Arda and it is not known if he is one of them.

P.S.: Evenstar... it were the elves who called him Iarwain ben-adar... eldest and fatherless

09-22-2002, 02:15 PM	#7
lathspell Regenerating Ringkeeper Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 757	hey, Evenstar1: Tolkien himself denied that Tom Bombadil was Iluvatar embodied, it was one of the few questions he would react to. Aule indeed made the dwarves before Iluvatar had finished the Elves, yet the dwarves remained asleep and the Elves awakened first near lake Cuivienen. The Elves awoke the Ents by teaching them to speak and walk, as Treebeard points out in LotR. Tom was there before all this happened, and he is therefore oldest of M-e, yet the Ainur are eldest of Arda and it is not known if he is one of them. P.S.: Evenstar... it were the elves who called him Iarwain ben-adar... eldest and fatherless __________________ 'You?' cried Frodo. 'Yes, I, Gandalf the Grey,' said the wizard solemnly. 'There are many powers in the world, for good or for evil. Some are greater than I am. Against some I have not yet been measured. But my time is coming.'