Success through Failure - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Carrûn · 01-09-2003, 03:31 PM

Perhaps the fact that without Gollum biting off of Frodo's finger the Quest most likely would have failed since Frodo claimed the Ring for himself (he failed) - although that is more an example of evil intent being used for good than success coming from failure I guess.

I believe in the Two Towers Gandalf said that he had considered looking into the palantiar of Orthanc before Pippin's little escapade and that if he had he might not have been ready for the encounter with Sauron since he didn't exactly if Sauron had one of the Stones or not.

This might be streatching things a bit but if Pippin had not looked into the Stone and Gandalf had not taken him to Minas Tirith and he had not offered his service to the Steward there he would not have been there when Denthor went slightly beserk and Faramir may have died.

..just some of my thoughts on the matter.

01-09-2003, 03:31 PM	#2
Carrûn Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Behind you, counting to 3 Posts: 234	Perhaps the fact that without Gollum biting off of Frodo's finger the Quest most likely would have failed since Frodo claimed the Ring for himself (he failed) - although that is more an example of evil intent being used for good than success coming from failure I guess. I believe in the Two Towers Gandalf said that he had considered looking into the palantiar of Orthanc before Pippin's little escapade and that if he had he might not have been ready for the encounter with Sauron since he didn't exactly if Sauron had one of the Stones or not. This might be streatching things a bit but if Pippin had not looked into the Stone and Gandalf had not taken him to Minas Tirith and he had not offered his service to the Steward there he would not have been there when Denthor went slightly beserk and Faramir may have died. ..just some of my thoughts on the matter. __________________ "Dic, hospes, Spartae, nos te hic vidisse iacentes dum sanctis patriae legibus obsequimur."