Lords of the Andunie - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Cirdan the Shipwright · 01-10-2002, 08:45 AM

Question for the ultra fans - Did Tolkien ever write a genealogy of the House of Andunie, and if so where can it be found?

- Maglor

***Mithadan*** · 01-10-2002, 11:12 AM

To my knowledge, no. He wrote of the first member(s) of the house and the last, but none in between.

Cirdan the Shipwright · 01-10-2002, 12:22 PM

I'm really surprised, considering how thorough he was with every other genealogy. Is there any other way to directly trace Elendil directly to Elros (maybe through an intermarriage into the line of Numenorean kings?)

- Cirdan

Inziladun · 01-10-2002, 04:04 PM

The only information on this I'm aware of says Elendil was descended from Silmarien, the eldest child of Tar-Elendil, fourth king of Númenor.

Thingol · 01-10-2002, 04:30 PM

I've never seen any other information other than what Inziladun mentioned. Silmarien was a woman and at the time women couldn't become heads of states. As far as I know it just jumps from Silmarien to Amandil, father of Elendil the Tall.

Silmarien · 01-28-2003, 11:22 PM

In the Unfinished Tales there's a couple of Silmarien's [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] children but not a full genealogy. Also in UT there's a mention of the Lords of Andunie in 'the Mariner's wife'

Silmarien [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Rumil · 01-29-2003, 04:23 PM

Makes you wonder if Elendil et al were actually the Numenoreans most closely related to Elros after the downfall. After 3000ish years of intermarriage on Numenor perhaps some of the 'Kings Men' who survived in Umbar or even some of the faithful in Northern Middle Earth had a better claim to the throne.

The house of Elendil must have had the best spin doctors!

Anardil · 01-30-2003, 12:37 AM

Concerning the Lords of Andunie, I have found the following (mostly from UT: Aldarion and Erendis, The Line of Elros).

First Lord: Valandil, son of Silmarien and Elatan of Andunie. Silmarien was, as noted, the eldest daughter (and child) of fourth king Tar-Elendil.

15th Lord: Earendur, brother of Lindorie. Lindorie was the mother of Inzilbeth, who married 23rd king Ar-Gimilzor.

17th Lord: Numendil. He is not explicitly given as the 17th Lord, but as the grandson of Earendur and as the Lord in the days of Tar-Palantir, he would likely have been.

18th Lord: Amandil, last Lord and father of Elendil the Tall.

I have not found information on any of the other fourteen lords. Also, it is not clear when the Lordship of Andunie came into existance. Presumably it was granted by Tar-Meneldur (or Tar-Aldarion) to his nephew (or cousin) Valandil. Who and what was Elatan? Presumably someone important since he married a royal princess.

Ultimatejoe · 01-30-2003, 08:13 AM

The fact that Elendil lived over 300 years is probably the best evidence that he was strongly attached to the royal house. Nobody outside the line of Elros Tar-Minyatur would have lasted that long.

01-10-2002, 08:45 AM	#1
Cirdan the Shipwright Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 52	Lords of the Andunie Question for the ultra fans - Did Tolkien ever write a genealogy of the House of Andunie, and if so where can it be found? - Maglor

01-10-2002, 11:12 AM	#2
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,317	To my knowledge, no. He wrote of the first member(s) of the house and the last, but none in between. __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

01-10-2002, 04:04 PM	#4
Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,035	The only information on this I'm aware of says Elendil was descended from Silmarien, the eldest child of Tar-Elendil, fourth king of Númenor. __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

01-10-2002, 04:30 PM	#5
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	I've never seen any other information other than what Inziladun mentioned. Silmarien was a woman and at the time women couldn't become heads of states. As far as I know it just jumps from Silmarien to Amandil, father of Elendil the Tall. __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.

01-28-2003, 11:22 PM	#6
Silmarien Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lost but Found Posts: 199	In the Unfinished Tales there's a couple of Silmarien's [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] children but not a full genealogy. Also in UT there's a mention of the Lords of Andunie in 'the Mariner's wife' Silmarien [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Though here at journeys end I lie in dakness buried deep, beyond all towers strong and high beyond all mountains steep, above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell:I will not say the Day is done nor bid the Stars farewell!

01-10-2002, 12:22 PM	#3
Cirdan the Shipwright Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 52	I'm really surprised, considering how thorough he was with every other genealogy. Is there any other way to directly trace Elendil directly to Elros (maybe through an intermarriage into the line of Numenorean kings?) - Cirdan

01-29-2003, 04:23 PM	#7
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 893	Makes you wonder if Elendil et al were actually the Numenoreans most closely related to Elros after the downfall. After 3000ish years of intermarriage on Numenor perhaps some of the 'Kings Men' who survived in Umbar or even some of the faithful in Northern Middle Earth had a better claim to the throne. The house of Elendil must have had the best spin doctors! __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

01-30-2003, 12:37 AM	#8
Anardil Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 33	Concerning the Lords of Andunie, I have found the following (mostly from UT: Aldarion and Erendis, The Line of Elros). First Lord: Valandil, son of Silmarien and Elatan of Andunie. Silmarien was, as noted, the eldest daughter (and child) of fourth king Tar-Elendil. 15th Lord: Earendur, brother of Lindorie. Lindorie was the mother of Inzilbeth, who married 23rd king Ar-Gimilzor. 17th Lord: Numendil. He is not explicitly given as the 17th Lord, but as the grandson of Earendur and as the Lord in the days of Tar-Palantir, he would likely have been. 18th Lord: Amandil, last Lord and father of Elendil the Tall. I have not found information on any of the other fourteen lords. Also, it is not clear when the Lordship of Andunie came into existance. Presumably it was granted by Tar-Meneldur (or Tar-Aldarion) to his nephew (or cousin) Valandil. Who and what was Elatan? Presumably someone important since he married a royal princess.

01-30-2003, 08:13 AM	#9
Ultimatejoe Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Trent University, Peterborough, Ontario Posts: 125	The fact that Elendil lived over 300 years is probably the best evidence that he was strongly attached to the royal house. Nobody outside the line of Elros Tar-Minyatur would have lasted that long. __________________ Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory. -Leonardo Da Vinci