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jallanite · 08-13-2001, 06:37 PM

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Re: Orcish Fear

I do not remember the word, HereIstarion.

But, to your previous post, I have two points to add on Orkish fëar, both from Morgoth's Ring (HoME 10), "Myths Transformed", VIII, Orcs. Both are on the fate of Orks after death.

On the Úmaiar Orks:<blockquote>Quote:<hr> The least could have been primitive (and much more powerful and peilous) Orcs; but by practising when embodied procreation they would (cf. Melian) [become] more and more earthbound, unable to return to spirit-form (even in demon-form), until released by death (killing), and they would dwindle in force. When released they would, of course, like Sauron, be 'damned': i.e. reduced to impotence, infinitely recessive: still hating but unable more and more to make it effective physically (or would not a very dwindled dead Orc-state be a poltergeist?<hr></blockquote>

On the Elven Orks:<blockquote>Quote:<hr> ****It remains therefore terribly possible there was an Elvish strain in the Orcs. These may then even have been mated with beasts (sterile!)*** and later Men. Their life-span would be diminished. And dying they would go to Mandos and be held in prison till the End.<hr></blockquote>Apparently no refusing of the summons?

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08-13-2001, 06:37 PM	#28
jallanite Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 479	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Moderator Posts: 61</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Orcish Fear I do not remember the word, HereIstarion. But, to your previous post, I have two points to add on Orkish fëar, both from Morgoth's Ring (HoME 10), "Myths Transformed", VIII, Orcs. Both are on the fate of Orks after death. On the Úmaiar Orks:<blockquote>*Quote:<hr> The least could have been primitive (and much more powerful and peilous) Orcs; but by practising when embodied procreation they would (cf. Melian) [become] more and more earthbound, unable to return to spirit-form (even in demon-form), until released by death (killing), and they would dwindle in force. When released they would, of course, like Sauron, be 'damned': i.e. reduced to impotence, infinitely recessive: still hating but unable more and more to make it effective physically (or would not a very dwindled dead Orc-state be a poltergeist?<hr></blockquote> On the Elven Orks:<blockquote>Quote:<hr> *It remains therefore terribly possible there was an Elvish strain in the Orcs. These may then even have been mated with beasts (sterile!)* and later Men. Their life-span would be diminished. And dying they would go to Mandos and be held in prison till the End.<hr></blockquote>Apparently no refusing of the summons? </p>