Orcish Fear

[Saulotus]

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Re: Orcish Fear

One last point concerning Orcs from Elves is probably apropos:

In the original concept of Orcs and Goblins; they were not the same.
In writing HOBBIT; Tolkien drew upon his creation (proto-SILMARILLION) as the base for the story background, and why Gondolin, Elrond etc. were introduced.

This is reflected in some statements from the Great Goblin regarding the identity and recognition of Orcrist and Glamdring. At this time; Goblins were considered to be Twisted forms of Elves, and Orcs as superior breeds of Goblins (crossed with Men).

This is also why Orcs and Hobgoblins appear in HOBBIT as seperate entities.
Hobgoblins are presumably at this time some mixture of Goblin and Orc.

When in writing LOTR, Tolkien decided to combine the two seperate groups into one classification, thus the additional preface commentary seen in HOBBIT, with the LOTR re-definition of Hobgoblin as orc-men.

However; the situation created with the Great Goblin's comments went un-revised, along with the references to Orcs and Hobgoblins, creating a mixed up family tree.

Only later, as presented above, did he re-address the problem.

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000133>Saulotus </A> at: 11/8/00 11:09:32 pm