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**lindil** · 10-14-2002, 05:42 AM

I must say that JRRT leaves me astride the fence as to wether he only meant the Silmarillion or not [ for the Change] why specifically say Silm if he meant everything?

I would like to think that he just meant Silm and wanted a difference to stand between LotR and Silm in the same way that Hobbit uses goblins 99% of the ime and Orc only once or twice. HE clearly could have changed all goblins --> orcs during his revisions but he chose not too.

So this could very well be the same [ and too mind even stranger and less explicable] type of choice of leaving LotR "C" and using Ork in the Silm. The lack of logic in the proposal 'i] if[/i] read that way makes me hesitate.

So in summary:

If by Change in the Silm he meant [ as Aiwendil thinks] LotR also then we can not follow that in our text because we can not effect change in both. Only one and thus create disharmony in between them. the very thing we are ttrying to avoid in general.

On the other hand if meant by " change in Silm' just the Silm then we should. JRRT was a very logical fellow in my mind and I can see no reason to change the one and not the other [whereas I can see a reason for keeping Goblin in a child's story].

So w/ that last thought, on the absence of further evidence I go w/ Orc/

10-14-2002, 05:42 AM	#10
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	I must say that JRRT leaves me astride the fence as to wether he only meant the Silmarillion or not [ for the Change] why specifically say Silm if he meant everything? I would like to think that he just meant Silm and wanted a difference to stand between LotR and Silm in the same way that Hobbit uses goblins 99% of the ime and Orc only once or twice. HE clearly could have changed all goblins --> orcs during his revisions but he chose not too. So this could very well be the same [ and too mind even stranger and less explicable] type of choice of leaving LotR "C" and using Ork in the Silm. The lack of logic in the proposal 'i] if[/i] read that way makes me hesitate. So in summary: If by Change in the Silm he meant [ as Aiwendil thinks] LotR also then we can not follow that in our text because we can not effect change in both. Only one and thus create disharmony in between them. the very thing we are ttrying to avoid in general. On the other hand if meant by " change in Silm' just the Silm then we should. JRRT was a very logical fellow in my mind and I can see no reason to change the one and not the other [whereas I can see a reason for keeping Goblin in a child's story]. So w/ that last thought, on the absence of further evidence I go w/ Orc/ __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.