WW LXXXIX: The Terror of Tol Fuin

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I am around only for a brief entry, will be away then and around only for the somewhat later part of the Day...

Opening with a random remark:

Originally Posted by Kitanna

I remember that oh so well. 'twas my first game and no one gave me this so-called "newbie pass". Rather I was mercilessly killed on Day 2...

But newbie passes usually go only for Day 1. Relatedly, this also means that I am no longer bound by it when it comes to voting newbies

Now, to the other stuff - as for why Shasta died, I would not dare to say anything definite, but I would incline to what Nilp said:

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

However, I'm slightly more inclined to think that they thought that he was just too sharp (which he seem to have a reputation of.)

He was also simply the first one in the row of Lottie-voters, and this time all of them look rather innocent, so killing one of them was probably a good option.

As for the Lottie-voters themselves, I am not very suspicious of them (especially as I am one of them too, "Of course I know him! He's me!"). Nog, as the "last nail", does not make very much of a sense for a W-on-W vote (okay, it can be, but the voting yesterDay was interesting in that quite many people did not vote, or voted rather randomly in the last few minutes). And I don't really think Lommy is a Wolf either, despite what e.g. Kitanna says. The comment "now wondering how the outcome..." she cleared for me already yesterDay and I can understand it the way she had put it, simply having second thoughts now that suddenly one finds herself a part of a huge (or, "huge") bandwagon - that of course can make one wonder "did I fall into some Wolvish trap of a bandwagon for innocent?" (especially as there doesn't seem to be any worthy contesting bandwagon!). I mean, a Wolf, seeing her friend lynched, would not suddenly come out shouting "oh my, I wonder how this is going to end!", but rather stay quiet. What good will it bring to her? Therefore, I really see all Lottie-voters rather okay for the time being.

I have grown a bit unsure about Galadriel toDay, because of her rather strongly defensive posting. I mean, it is mostly just defense. Sure, there are some accusations or suspicions from Kitanna and such, but her first post toDay starts with defense of her actions yesterDay - was it necessary? Or does she just feel over-threatened? "When I voted it did not seem like a throwaway vote at all." And then explanation. Was it necessary?

And the vague suspicion of Lommy also seems to me quite odd. Also, clinging to it toDay might be an attempt to appear consistent. This:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I'm still thinking about this. She voted for Lottie (who we now know is a wolf), but apologises for it. Of course, that could be an innocent thinking she's going on a Lottiewagon, but it could be something much more sinister. I'm more inclined towards the former, but you never know!

as you can notice, ends with the typical "of course, it is... but maybe it is... but you never know!" Vague without saying much. I think I will be watching G55 toDay rather closely.

Also her analysis of the Shasta-case:

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

I recall a few people suspecting Lottie earlier in the thread, some even said they intend to vote her, but none really making one solid argumentive "summarizing" case against her until Shasta did. Now where did that stroke of inspiration come on him? He was debating a bit about everyone, but more about me, sally, Kit, and Bom. In 134 he considers voting [B]Sally/B], but wants more thought from her before a final decision. Then considers vote for Kit, but discards it because she'd be a throw-away.

Decides he'll analyze Lottie and does so in #138. Votes. More people follow.

The way I understood Shasta's post#134 is that Lottie wasn't his top priority, and that he'd rather vote for Kit, or possibly Sally. Interesting. But lucky that he voted Lottie.

sounds like something she could have come up together with her packmate at Night, and the "but lucky that he voted Lottie" sounds just false - random - weird ending of it all. "Interesting" and all that, why to say that? I would have almost expected it ending "...Lottie wasn't his top priority, but he voted her, which is interesting. Therefore, we have decided he was the Seer and killed him." and now she just replaced it by the "lucky that he voted Lottie" for the public reading.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

More importantly, though, we also have a known wolf to look at, and G55 happens to be the only person that wolf went after.

So, the key question, then is: how likely is it that Wolflote would make a wolf-on-wolf attack on Wolf55 at that point and in that way?

Valid question. Unfortunately, right now I don't have time to write more about that, and I shall be back at the computer only later during the Day. But I can try to think about that.

So, I'll be back later. For the time being, to summarise - I think Nog and Lommy are innocent, and I am watchful of G55, and also from the impressions of their posting, Nilp looks rather good and Nerwen maybe too. Hope to see other not-so-much-clear-posters posting around toDay too.

EDIT: x-ed with all Eomers. He's exactly one of those I would like to get a clearer picture of...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

EDIT: x-ed with all Eomers. He's exactly one of those I would like to get a clearer picture of...

You ought to know by now, Legate, that no-one can ever get a clear picture of me!

I'll need to go and check that Lommy case again, as it looked interesting. You seem quite certain of her innocence but then I suppose you would know more than us.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

These are things to say before I do my read-through of Nerwen's post (I may not post an analysis if I don't see anything that stands out, since I have previously analysed her already):

I would like to believe that the priority targets of the baddies are:

1. The Seer (a risky proposition, as has been pointed out by my mother).
2. The Ranger (but I repeat my doubt: how do you find her?)
3. Known innocents (and we have, in my opinion, people closest to that in this village, although doubts have been cast on their status.)
4. Targets for future misdirection (to enable them to retain the initiative and gain some disguise--but this is only if 1) and 3) (and 2), to a lesser extent) have been taken care of.)

My read-through is for the express purpose of checking to see if 1) and 2) are possible, but I think that for our baddie-slayers they are perhaps, I repeat, the closest thing to 3) and perhaps 1) to them. So things that come to mind are:

• Nerwen is a more compelling kill, due to 1) and/or 2) (again, the reason for a readthrough).
• There is indeed a baddie among the baddie-slayers.
• The baddies are casting reasonable doubt on the baddie-slayers (falls under 4))
• The baddie-slayers are now barking up the wrong tree (once again, falls under 4)).

Gah. Don't I just hate myself. I need to read the entire thread carefully.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Listy thing after a read-through of the entire thread, just so I get my priorities straight.

• Doubleplusgood

None - even those I used to trust I'm half-inclined to suspect now.

• Plusgood

Legate - Posts lists, which is good. And his lists aren't waffling things, but concrete expressions of what he thinks, which is plusgood. [My thoughts on his thoughts regarding me after the list.]

• Good

Sally - She jump-started serious discussion on DAY 1 with her infamous declaration. And she has given me no reason to suspect her now.

• Doubleplusunsure

Nogrod - On one hand, baddie-slayer and reasonable chap. On the other hand, this (the 3rd to the last paragraph) feels like a hand that guides the bandwaggon--without him getting on it (q.v.).

Lommy - My possible Nerwen scenario (that apparently only makes sense in my head) lends to the possibility of her Fenris-ing Lottie. On the other hand, her reason for that vote (that Shasta's case sounded reasonable) sounds plausible, since I do it as an Ordo, too.

Bom - Strange plan to vote for Sally on DAY 1. Strange Kit vote on DAY 2. Absentmindedness points to an Ordo, but one never knows.

Mith - Seems a little too concerned with the rules that I can't read her.

• Ungood

G55 - My confused Ordo view of her is wavering, since she seems to be in the middle of a lot of scenarios . . .

Greenie - Her list on DAY 2 has me wondering. (Her silence is normal, though, tee-hee.)

Eomer - His almost single-minded attack of G55 (2 votes in 2 DAYs) feels like a baddie sweeping his trail. I don't know what to make of his renewed vigour toDAY though.

• Plusungood

None, apparently.

• Doubleplusungood

No alarms screaming 'baddie alert' in my head from y'all (unlike from Kit yesterday.)

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Hm, I've been ad hominem-ed way too many times in my WW career that, were I less of a cloudcuckoolander, I'd start questioning if I should start changing myself.

Note to self: 'If you wish to play WW again, remember this game. The desire will pass.'

Meh, I'll vote for myself (or back out, depending on my mood) if I still feel this way after a night's sleep. Sorry.

(/人 ◕ ‿‿ ◕ 人\ I'll catch you a Werewolf, if you make a contract with me!)

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Note to self: 'If you wish to play WW again, remember this game. The desire will pass.'

*hugs*....I know what you mean. But be to thine own self be true. Don't be bullied out.

[A Little Green]

Phew, here at last. Honestly, guys, what was that yesterDay?

Originally Posted by Mith

Crossed since Greenie.... Eomer ? Reasons? In her list she suspects him mainly due to something Lommie said. *wrinkles nose* Maybe she is anti knights errant. Or a throw away?

Not quite, and I like knights, anyway. More like, I needed to go to sleep and had no idea who I'd vote, so I chose to go without explanation for someone I was vaguely uneasy about - fishing for reactions while if he was in fact lynched we would not be lynching anyone I believed innocent. As it is, the reaction-fishing mainly proved that he didn't seem to make much of it at all. I'm torn between finding him a manipulative baddie and a laid back innocent.

Originally Posted by Nog

I'm getting uneasy with this, even if there are reasons staring right at my eyes there. This Kit-wagon looks like too opportunistic even if popular wagons hjave caught baddies too. But now something feels really odd in here.

++ Mith

I should have known that my finding Nog innocent can't last long, and the above is pretty much what gave me second thoughts. He washes his hands of the Kit-wagon after suspecting her pretty much all Day, fuelling the bandwagon without being de facto a member of it. Really makes me raise my eyebrows.

Originally Posted by Legate

I think I will vote Eomer... but somehow I'm now thinking that the remaining WWs are Mith and Bom. Would make sense, anyway.

Well, this doesn't. I mean, if you think Mith and Bom are the remaining wolves, why vote for Eomer? Especially seeing as I believe Mith had as many votes at that point as Eomer did.

Originally Posted by Nog

Actually I'm a bit scared of Greenie (surprise! ) as she plays again that hunker down & lay low -game, but makes posts with enough reasoning to look like a person we should keep around unless something drastic comes her way.

The "hunker down & lay low -game" is also known as work.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Note to self: 'If you wish to play WW again, remember this game. The desire will pass.'

A fun game, but this very much echoed my thoughts on Day 2 and beyond.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Congratulations village and hard luck wolves.

I'm hardly always right when I get fixated on one villager but I was very pleased to find out (on Night 3) that I was indeed chasing the right target!

[Boromir88]

Followed along with this game towards the end, good stuff.

Poor Lottie, this time the psychic gets you!

And marvelous seering Eomer

[Nogrod]

That was one of the coolest villages I have seen! Even if innocents were vanishig left and right (or unable to post) we lynched only one innocent!

Sorry about that wolves, but we really did some good work...

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

And thanks to Inzil for some good modding; just a shame we couldn't see the new role in action!

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

we lynched only one innocent!

ONLY one...
/bitter and angry

I had such a good scene mapped out for a duel wolf / Ranger death too.

I was really looking forward to seeing that, but I knew in my heart of hearts the likelihood of that was pretty slim. And then of course it doesn't help that the rnager couldn't protect herself.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

That was one of the coolest villages I have seen! Even if innocents were vanishig left and right (or unable to post) we lynched only one innocent!

Sorry about that wolves, but we really did some good work...

Well... we fought valiantly...

;-)



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First and foremost, <3 Zil for the wonderful game! It was a great way to start playing WW!

<3 Mith for being my fellow pack mate, and for listening to my ramblings every Night. Also, for saying this in one PM: “you are far better than me at this you clever things”. Love you back! ^.^ Also, D3: you’re tied with Nog, and you were the last to be voted. I’m sitting at my computer and freaking out. I’m thinking “NOOOO!!!! Not Mith! Why didn’t you wait just one more minute, then you would have lived for at least another Day!!! What am I going to do without you? Plus, I know Eomer is the Seer, and I really need to tell that to someone. Don’t leave me!!! If you’re lynched I’m going to be all alone! And there’s still Nilp’s vote. He’ll save you…” Then I see Zil’s post that the Day is over and that you are lynched. Me: “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ”

<3 Lottie for being my dear fenrissed pack mate. Building all the controversy around me was a brilliant thing to do! (At the end of D1 I was thinking – what was Lottie doing? I’ll be next, because she emphasized how she didn’t want to vote me for no real reason!)

<3 Nilp for being the only person I said the complete truth about: your posts indeed slipped past my brain without leaving any recollection. On D2 I said that you didn’t post anything of content because your summaries and analyses didn’t register in my head! Also, for your analysis of my on D2 – you basically said “I see some fur growing here, and some over there… but she’s just a confused innocent”.

<3 Shasta whom I thought to be the Seer on N1. There was some suspicion of Lottie, but nothing really fatal. And then I saw your Lottie-lysis come out of nowhere – you didn’t even comment on her before that! I’m sorry to have murdered you on N1, but WW is WW.

<3 Lommy for being the most random D1 vote ever. I was trying fruitlessly to get attention away from Lottie. Also, for being impressed with my playing style. You don’t have to hit yourself after this: “Rather [Kit] than Eomer. (If she's innocent and he is not I'm going to hit somebody for making this statement, possibly myself.)”, because Eomer was also innocent.

<3 Legate for saying this: “Of the people, if I should name some who are standing out, Gal looks quite, well, reasonable. All her posts this far I like. Of course, she might be just a very well-polished Wolf.” And this: “Although of course, being thrown into your first game as a Wolf might force you to sharpen your skills to the most (I could talk - I had such an experience in my first game), so that might be what stands behind her surprisingly good reasoning this far... but then maybe it is also just stalking WW threads for too long (as I believe she had been doing)...” Now how could I possibly say that you’re evil after this? However, after you called me a “lazy wolf” on D3 I felt like killing you the next Night… :P (I seriously did, but for entirely different reasons.)

<3 Sally for letting me be “scarily supportive” of her. I can finally answer your question-statement: “if she's a wolf, it would a good (?) idea for her to try to establish a connection with me.” Maybe not very good for myself, but good for pack mates in the case that I get lynched.

<3 Knight Eomer for choosing right and seeing true and voting the Wolf55 since D1 (even though I will remember that next time we both play! XD). I’ve known you were the Seer since D3: you were a bit obvious then. Also, for making me think this the Night after: “God damn it! Now he doesn’t even need to dream!” :/ :d

<3 Kit for being the harassed victim of the D2 wagon. Sorry about your hat. ^.^

<3 Bom for providing us basis not only for D1, but for the entire game. Your absolutely innocent joke-post ultimately caused the death of many innocents. Just so you know.

<3 Greenie for always being so innocently reasonable that no matter how I turned it I couldn’t make you look evil.

<3 Nog for making me eat hats and socks after I pushed a Noggiewagon on D3. (Of course I knew what I’m doing! You have to sacrifice *something* if you want to win as a wolf. In my case, it was just a hat and a pair of socks :P).

<3 Nerwen for being the second person we wolves suspected of Seeing (you were actually Mith’s idea, so I give her the credit). I can now answer your question: “how likely is it that Wolflote would make a wolf-on-wolf attack on Wolf55 at that point and in that way?” Very likely. In fact, it’s a fact. By the way, it would be interesting to know who you protected.

Thank you for a great game, everyone!

PS: you know, it was quite a feeling reading Zil’s narrations and thinking “that was me…” :d