Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, discussion thread

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Brinn, was your "bearing gifts" remark deliberate? Why did you choose your dreams? Deeetails!

When I first wrote out that sentence, I didn't intend it to be a hint, but when I previewed my post I read it back and realized it could work as one and decided, sure why not? Felt low risk but fun enough to keep in.

Hopefully my previous post gives you all the details you need.

I should note that in general I'm not very good at leaving clues, but they were there, and I was consistent about all my dreams. For one, the only players I ever described as genuine were the ones I dreamt as innocent.

Day 1

So far I find Lommy to be the most genuine. She's only posted a few times early on, however, I do find her to be sensible and am agreeing with what she has to say.

Day 2

After re-reviewing his posts, I do find Pitchwife to be more genuine and if I were to guess, I'd think him innocent.

Day 3

Okay, I had some concerns about Lhuna's posts from yesterDay, and after really reviewing them, I do find her suspicious. For her involvement in the ranger discussion, the way she encouraged suspicion against me in a subtle way, her vote yesterDay, and her bringing up Hui's slip.

Day 4

Shasta: I've liked his thinking so far and he's feeling genuine to me.

Day 5

In light of learning Lhuna's role, I do actually find Eonwe to be more likely genuine. I looked back at the earlier part of yesterDay and he was gaining a fair amount a suspicion along with Lommy, Boro, and Inzil. Knowing there could be a chance he could be lynched, I don't think Lhuna would've voted him if he were a packmate.

Day 6

And I like Greenie's "unpicking Boro" post. Her analysis seems genuine and find myself agreeing with her conclusions, particularly with the possibility that both Boro and Eonwe are innocent.

(Or course me grouping Boro as also innocent could throw things off here. )

[Lhunardawen]

Just brilliant Seering, Brinn. How you refused to be drawn out despite Boro's best mind-bending efforts, how you managed to stay under the radar yet suspected just enough for us to leave you alive thinking you're always a probable lynch candidate, how you made excellent dream picks (I had been hoping most of your dreams end up quarantined early and was surprised to find only two of the innocents were! also the fact that I would be chosen as a dream was unthinkable to me)...

Not only did our (Hui, Cobb55, and me) insistence to vote for you everyDay in the QT give you the best possible "cover" if you were really our packmate, it probably also kept us from seriously considering the likelihood that you were the Seer. At least it did for me.

I did have the feeling the Seer was likely refraining from dropping obvious hints to stay alive as long as possible, so for a while I felt it might be Greenie, whose overwhelming walls-of-text posts containing very impressive analyses screamed ordo to me.

[Rikae]

Lhuna, I'm reading the night-chat now, and I see I gave Boro credit for your idea! Hats off to both of you - you for crafting an expert seer trap (even if in this situation it caught ordos), and to Boro for acting as bait so well, in the end I think I trusted him because I wanted him to be innocent.

(Me on the dead thread: "he's right about everyone and still alive, how is that possible?" but still trusting him - you must have had a good laugh!)

Edit: Maybe some day I'll learn to gather my thoughts into a single post instead of triple-posting ...

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Lhuna, I'm reading the night-chat now, and I see I gave Boro credit for your idea! Hats off to both of you - you for crafting an expert seer trap (even if in this situation it caught ordos), and to Boro for acting as bait so well, in the end I think I trusted him because I wanted him to be innocent.

My seed of an idea was nothing as elegant as how Boro executed it, though. But I'm glad he went through with it, and did it better than I ever imagined. The Perpetual Chat will reveal how nervous I was about his survival! Much thanks to Nilp, too, for being my sounding board.

Edit: Maybe some day I'll learn to gather my thoughts into a single post instead of triple-posting ...

Meh. Anything to keep people from wall-of-text posting.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by CutieWolves' Perpetual Chat

Since I'm sure you're wondering, and these arrows through my legs take a certain amount of pressure off, you survived Night 2 because various wolves were pretty sure you were trying to cover for the real Ranger. Good thing (for the wolves) Zil brought you out into the open yesterday...


hS

Oh, I noticed that, thought it could be a newly dead wolf slip but there was a remote possibility it could be a fake slip planned with Lhuna, and decided it was best to disregard it.

[Brinniel]

(Note: Someday I would love to be an ordo or a cobbler and be on this thread. Feels like a nice consolidation prize for dying.)

Originally Posted by Sally

I actually said I was hunting Lottie, or rather hinted at it, in a post I'll find and quote later. I like making people guess, but not like that. I was trying not to be That Lazy Girl who had people over to help me and then did nothing, but I finally sat down right before DL and told them I needed to do A Thing or it would be Very Bad. Sadly, I was too late.

Sorry, Sally! It sucks when RL interferes. I admit I was initially mad you took out Mac, but now I am eternally grateful you didn't hunt Lottie.

Originally Posted by Mac

Me, too, that's why I'm so excited!

Aww, poor Mac. *pats head*

Originally Posted by Mac

I reeeally hope Boro will dream of Greenie tonight. I will eat my mousepad if she's not evil.

How's that mousepad tasting?

Originally Posted by Legate

The original setting was my very first game, modded by Mac, but it was unusually the other way around: the "Wolves" were the good guys. It was "The Isle of the Were-Faithful". The former queen Tar-Míriel was the Cobbler.

That was my first game too! I recall getting lynched as an ordo on Day 3 thanks to Rune bandwagoning against me and was one a plane that Day so I couldn't defend myself. In RL, I ended getting stuck in an airport overnight and allowed myself to pout about WW for a couple hours, but I got over it.

Originally Posted by Sally

Oh yes, I remember Roa quite fondly as well! With all the people coming out of the woodwork for this game, I almost expected to see her, but alas, perhaps another time.

That would've been lovely, but I think she's been quite busy minding her little ones.

Originally Posted by Legate

Just a moment. I know where each of these comes from, but isn't that a bit too much? What are we now, officially the drinking thread? Where did we earn that reputation?

EDIT: x-ed with Lalaith. LALAITH! What are we, a bar?!?

Oh boy, I really did miss out!

Originally Posted by Legate

Well. My personal question being something like...

WHERE IN THE NAME OF BEÖR THE OLD IS THE SEER?!?

Well, I wasn't trying to keep you guys guessing, but this did make me laugh.

Originally Posted by Lhuna

WHAT

IN

FREAKING

ARDA AND THE VOID

WHERE IN THE NAME OF ALL THE VALAR IS THIS SEER?????!!!!!???!?!!

I really didn't think I was hiding that well!

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Has anyone seen The Good Place?
I feel like I've been told like everything is nice and these are the innocents but I'm still feeling tortured.

Loved the references here.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Then Fea decided to just let the people continue playing, with no wolves and not telling us there were no wolves, while she randomized the Night-kills herself (if I remember it correctly).

It was absolutely insane as there was absolutely no sense in anything that happened and we knew nothing about what had happened in the first place

That was before my WW days, but it sounds insane. But a better resolution than that time where the mod (Gil I think) switched my role from cobbler to wolf because the last wolf had to be mod-fired. Of course I got lynched shortly after because I was being a good cobbler. I think that was the only time I was ever cobbler.

Originally Posted by Legate

Btw I wonder why did Brinn not dream of Boro (if she's telling the truth). Maybe because he was under so much scrutiny that he was likely to be either lynched or Night-killed, so it was likely to be a dream wasted?

The Day Inzil got lynched, I thought he was possibly baiting himself for the wolves and in that scenario, I wanted to leave him alone. The next Night I thought Kath most likely a wolf and wanted a confirmed wolf to reveal.

Also, the QT is probably the first place where I've won a voting popularity contest multiple times.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

(Note: Someday I would love to be an ordo or a cobbler and be on this thread. Feels like a nice consolidation prize for dying.)

Hui summed it up best, in my opinion:

Originally Posted by Huinesoron, on the CutieWolves' Perpetual Chat

We like to think we have more fun over here, but that may be because we're both drunk on the lack of tension.

[Galadriel55]

You guys are all amazing. Hui - those links will absolutely be read (tomorrow, as it's nearly midnight). I am so curious what you thought of everything on the QT behind the scenes.

I think what really killed me on D1 was that I had to sleep. I made an agenda for myself (and even wrote it down as a reminder!), and while I stuck to it everything went swimmingly. Then I went to bed, and woke up to such horrendous amount of content that I got bogged down in trying to process it in favour of following the agenda. Note for the future, regardless of role: stick to your agenda, it's ok to fall behind on content. Or don't sleep. Still, the most gratifying were probably Hui's comments of how I spent so much time steering the thread into a sideways discussion. I did punch the air the first time it came up.

As for the Seer!Boro idea - Mac championed it on the QT, but his Up To Somethingness was screaming in my face. I guess I did have a conversation witb him on D1 that went kinda like "Where is the cobbler?" - "It's me. Who are you?" - "I am a wolf, but hush, stay in character and act innocent." - "Roger, Wolf Tower*". Which no one picked up on, probably because analyzing cobbler posts is useless. And then he started the next 2 Days with a blatant "I am focusing on THIS, because reasons and hint hint trust me", which gave me massive Up To Something vibes even besides the D1 exchange. I suppose this looks very Seerish, but I didn't really buy it because if Boro was innocent he wouldn't have lived as long as he did. Also, I indirectly confirmed with Hui when he joined me on the QT by asking if they got my gifted flag, which they did not (ie he was not a gifted, and I don't believe a wolf would just ignore InnoBoro's early posts).

For those who want a brief skim of the QT, I made a list of my favourite moments last Night. It's on my computer though, and will be posted here tomorrow. Phones are just not conducive to werewolfing.


* My answer was a response halfway between Roger and Flare: Gifted, because I thought Boro could potentially be the Hunter as well, and just barely potentially the Child. I didn't want to make too much of a flare in case he was a wolf, or be too subtle in my Roger in case he was gifted. Then I tried to distance myself from the whole thing amd sweep it under the rug, my main thought being that some clever innocent (especially the resident psychic ) will see through the message and find Borowolf through me. Oh what a duo we could have been! I am curious - did you try to signal me on D2 about who to vote on D2? Because if there was a specific signal, I must have missed it. I was following your opening with "assume Brin is guilty".



Edit: xed with a couple. Being drunk on the lack of tension was EXACTLY how I felt!

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

For those who want a brief skim of the QT, I made a list of my favourite moments last Night. It's on my computer though, and will be posted here tomorrow.

Yessss, we have an Agan summary post! I had been hoping someone far less lazy than me would do so.

FWIW, G55, I sensed in the Infirmary Bar that you knew Boro was Up To Something. It was all the more reason for me to lament that you couldn't chat with us. Imagine if you could!

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Yessss, we have an Agan summary post! I had been hoping someone far less lazy than me would do so.

Sadly not as well organized and linked as Agan's. I should do that next time though.

Originally Posted by Lhuna

FWIW, G55, I sensed in the Infirmary Bar that you knew Boro was Up To Something. It was all the more reason for me to lament that you couldn't chat with us. Imagine if you could!

I am glad to hear it! I was afraid that when you said that it was because you needed me to do something and I wasn't getting it, or was doing the exact opposite of what you wanted.

[Galadriel55]

Day 2

Rikae and I start off by agreeing to spam the thread to make the Living wonder what we were up to.

Rikae votes for Brin, and I abstained.

Rikae becomes the First Ever Good Cobbler.


Day 3

Huey reveals his packmates to be Nogrod, Nerwen, Balfrog and The Barrow-Wight.

I suggest we vote Brin again for jokes, and The Boss agrees. I wonder / hope that the InnoCuties will keep voting Brin to make the GT lose it.

Meanwhile, Rikae votes for Bernie.

Going into Night 4, Rikae asks if every gifted is secretly a cobbler. I wholeheartedly approve of the idea.

Mac does a



"saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", while Rikae finds consolation in that it could have been the Seer.

Meanwhile, it turns out just about everyone left early Hunter hints that absolutely no one picked up on.

Mac convinces everyone that Boro is the Seer.

sally wants to fry some cookies.


Day 4

Mac channels Nilp's alter-egos.

Roa Aoife makes an appearance.

The whole QT thread asks Nog to prank the GT with a fake ++Brin. This is my proudest moment in the game, when the whole thread and the Mod, for one shining moment, became cobblers. On this note, thanks to Mac, we now know that after "thirded" comes "fourtified". A new addition to my growing vocabulary, along with Pitchie's "frell".

Going into Night 5:
Lhuna explains the exact mechanism by which our QT became a Prolonged QT. And I love her for it.

Legate becomes an Honorary Infected. Almost.


Day 5

Kit remains the only unsurprised person to be in the QT, which is filled with Not The Seers.

Mac wants to mess with Boro by voting for him.

Legate does indeed vote for Karl Marx. For which he was meta-caught on the GT.

We do not have beer to offer Inzil, but we do have Gin and Tonic.

As Night 6 begins, Lhuna consoles Zil by saying she didn't think he was bad. But Hui did!

Everybody wants to vote Steve. It seems like Steve and Boro will never die.


Day 6

Pitch joins us as the 4th Not The Seer, after Rikae, Legate, and Lalaith.

Among the scrutinized Living, Rune, Shasta, and Lottie join Boro in the Possible Seers List. People are wondering where the frell is the real Seer. Apparently Mac and sally are now Seers too. I suggest Brin, but of course no one thinks I'm serious.

Inzil admits that when he was still "alive", he earnestly believed we were busy here in QT discussing the GT!

Lhuna does an analysis of her own death.

I propose a game. People get to decide my vote in exchange for answering a question.

This is the Day when QT voting was more intense than GT voting. The InnoCuties want to vote unanimously for Brin, and sally gets infected by the cobbler pseudobug. Sadly the vote is not quite unanimous, but almost. Still, Nog's and GT's reaction were worth it. The QT believes that now that we've (almost unanimously) voted Brin, she'll turn out to be the Seer or the Child (Ha!).

OverNight, we find out there is a separate room in Hell.



Day 7

Shasta becomes yet another Not The Seer. People are genuinely questioning whether there actually is a real Seer in this game, and Nog actually has to confirm this, and yet is still not quite believed.

We discuss ridiculous game ideas with weird twists. We reminisce of games long past.

The GT decibels are finally down to a decent level. Because population control works. ^.^ Nog practically dares us to pass the GT in post count.

Lhuna does an analysis of Ka's death on her behalf.

The Princess Bride keeps coming up time and again. It is indeed a great description for the whole game (and for a lot of my personal experience too) – and almost inadequate compared to the actual amount of scheming and double bluffing and various possibilities that went on. Because it’s not just both goblets poisoned, it’s the poison poisoned and the poison antidoted and while you decide which antidote matches which poison an elephant falls on you. (Specifically it was inadequate for Rikae trying to figure out what I thought of Brin. I didn't know anything about Brin, that was irrelevant; my decisions were based on what would maximize chaos).



And that was all I got before Brin revealed and everything spiraled towards the grand finale. I want to congratulate Boro and Brin again for a brilliantly played game! A special mention to Kath, who would have totally made it to endgame if she just wasn't dreamed. Very very sneaky wolf! And cannot say this enough: Nog, that was some brilliant Modding! The narrations were gripping, the comments and reactions were fun, and the game set-up was excellent!

[Blind Guardian]

Maybe this isn't the place to put this, but I would like to play in the next game and I don't remember how to sign up or when that will happen. Please push me in the right direction!

[Eönwë]

Wow! That really felt like the kind of game we were having 10 years ago.

I really thought Lottie was the seer for such a long time!

Kind of crazy that I was unintentionally framed (I don't remember when it was, but I remember Lommy's post along the lines of 'how could it be coincidence that the last 3 deaths are people that suspected Eonwe?')

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

I honestly felt pretty much the same for the last few Days - that's part of the reason I thought I might as well try to go out with a bang and take out the Borowolf that no-one else was seeing!

[Eönwë]

Also, I think the QT in this game has more posts than most main game threads!

[Eönwë]

Also, it looks like Lottie ended up playing the Innocent Child in the best possible way, story/drama-wise - revealed and self-sacrificed to ensure a village victory.

[Eönwë]

And I can't tell you how horrified I was when I wrote that sentence that looked like a slip (that I only saw after clicking submit).