Tol-in-Gaurhoth CXIV – The Evil Breath of Morgoth in Dor-lómin, game thread

[Eönwë]

The only possible thing I can imagine that might have led the wolves to not kill you is if they were absolutely certain you were not the seer because you voted for me two Days in a row (and if you were the seer you probably would've actually dreamed me if you suspected me), but I find that highly unlikely.

[Eönwë]

I find it more likely that if anything, your fake-seeriness was an attempt to catch the real seer, which is why the two people who challenged you on it, Lalaith and Pitch, are dead.

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I find it more likely that if anything, your fake-seeriness was an attempt to catch the real seer, which is why the two people who challenged you on it, Lalaith and Pitch, are dead.

This is a valid point, but there are a bunch of reasons to pretend to be the Seer. It might divert attention away from the real Seer, and it might make people nervous - I noticed that everyone got a lot quieter after Boro started hinting, and I started trying to see who got a bit more nervous and less willing to tie themselves to people while we waited to see if he'd caught a wolf! Could it have been a way to try to bait the Seer? Could be, I don't think we can ignore that, but it's certainly not the only plausible reason to do it. I personally felt that Boro's play here seemed very much like something an innocent Boro would be likely to do.

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Loslote

This is a valid point, but there are a bunch of reasons to pretend to be the Seer. It might divert attention away from the real Seer, and it might make people nervous - I noticed that everyone got a lot quieter after Boro started hinting, and I started trying to see who got a bit more nervous and less willing to tie themselves to people while we waited to see if he'd caught a wolf! Could it have been a way to try to bait the Seer? Could be, I don't think we can ignore that, but it's certainly not the only plausible reason to do it. I personally felt that Boro's play here seemed very much like something an innocent Boro would be likely to do.

I can see where you're coming from. Maybe I'm not being completely fair to the idea of an innocent Boro doing this because I already strongly suspect him, but there are already other reasons to suspect him. Additionally, I was willing to buy that some of the weird focuses and lists that he made (that made me suspicious) were something he would do as a seer to leave hints/clues that he could show later, but if he's just an innocent I don't buy it.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Thanks for explaining - I wasn't sure what you were up to, haha! Even not knowing what you were doing, I didn't think your hinting had wolfish vibes at all, which is why I kind of backed off without actually saying so. I do feel good about this explanation. It feels genuine and like something an innocent Boro would absolutely try. Do you have a theory as to why the wolves didn't Night kill you?

Don't know other than perhaps my assumptions of people being innocent were wrong. Like I've assumed Brinn's innocence since the 2 times the QT voted for her. That could have been wrong.

Currently I find THE Ka the most suspicious, but if she is a wolf I don't think I sent any strong signals that I had insight/dreamed her.

The strongest I've sent was yesterday towards my vote for Eonwe for jumping on the QT vote. So I could be wrong there, which would tip them off to me not being the seer

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I was wondering when you'd admit to pretending to be the seer, but I honestly find it very hard to believe you.

Lalaith got killed immediately after bringing up your possible wolf-slip, and then Pitch, who brought it up yesterDay, got killed last Night. Either the wolves are expending an incredible amount of effort (when they could be actually looking for the seer) trying to set you up, or you're a wolf.

After your all-but-reveal yesterDay, I decided to not go after you too hard for the rest of the Day to give you the benefit of the doubt, but given that two Nights have passed and you're still alive (and we know the wolves picked up on Kit's slip, even if they did wait a Day), I don't find it likely that your fake-seeriness was innocent.

I'm someone everyone suspects. If I've gotten my suspicions and/or who I've assumed as innocent wrong then the wolves would know I'm not the seer. Which means they would let me stay around to keep me as an easy lynch. I haven't acquired a lot of votes yet, but I don't think it's going to take a lot of convincing to lynch me. Why kill a person no one trusts, and who you can tell isn't gifted, when it's rather obvious Rikae, Legate, Pitch were more trusted?