"Bad Guy" Trivia

[Urwen]

Unless you mean that Turin won't be the one who kill Morgoth, everything I've said is true.

Maybe it has something to do with the disloyalty of sword itself?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Unless you mean that Turin won't be the one who kill Morgoth, everything I've said is true.

No, I won't quibble that point, and I agree that everything you said is true. But one of your points is also wrong.

hS

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Maybe it has something to do with the disloyalty of sword itself?

Mm... no, I don't think so (and if so, only at an extreme tangent, as in 'said disloyalty led to the circumstances that make me wrong').

hS

[Urwen]

Do you mean to say that Eol is not the original maker?

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Do you mean to say that Eol is not the original maker?

Eol is the original maker of Anglachel, certainly, which was reforged in Nargothrond into Gurthang. So in a sense, the smiths of Nargothrond are the makers of Gurthang.

But I said that in my answer. So why was I wrong?

hS

[Urwen]

I don't know. You said that each of the three main points are true, yet that the statement consisting of those three points is false. And considering you said all three points are true, your answer can't be false.

Unless there is some obscure variable I'm missing.....

[Urwen]

Wait.....since Anglachel was reforged into Gurthang, and Gurthang is the weapon that will slay Morgoth, that means that Eol didn't make the weapon which will kill Morgoth. Because since Anglachel was reforged, Anglachel and Gurthang are now different swords.

(That was a bit wordy, but you get the point...)

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

Wait.....since Anglachel was reforged into Gurthang, and Gurthang is the weapon that will slay Morgoth, that means that Eol didn't make the weapon which will kill Morgoth. Because since Anglachel was reforged, Anglachel and Gurthang are now different swords.

(That was a bit wordy, but you get the point...)

This is true! You're three-quarters of the way there - because I did give 'the smiths of Nargothrond' as an answer. So why was that still wrong...?

hS

[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Urwen

I don't know. You said that each of the three main points are true, yet that the statement consisting of those three points is false. And considering you said all three points are true, your answer can't be false.

It's worse than that - while each of your three points is true, one of the three is also false.

A correct - though not full - answer to your original trivia question might help, and that answer is: No-one.

hS