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10-26-2016, 05:57 PM | #1 |
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Werewolf CXI - The Black Breath Ward
As the sun rose over the city, many in its midst walked out into the crisp morning air with only a slight apprehension in their step. In the Ward, however, no one awoke early. The houses were silent and dark, though rustling leaves skittered across the roads and tree branches scraped against the walls of some of the residences.
A scream pierced the chilly air and the residents of the Ward burst from their temporary lodgings to see the source of the noise. Even with the dim light creeping over the city walls, the corpse was unmistakable. As the guards lifted the body, his red hat fell from his head and a tearful Sally crouched to pick it up, roughly shoving the item in her bag. "Sally! What's happened?" Lalaith emerged from her assigned cottage and tried to get a better look, but was blocked by the guards, who were hoisting Phantom into a small cart. "The Black Breath took him," Sally sobbed. She wiped her face on her sleeve, turning her back on Phantom as she addressed the group. "Please, there's nothing you can do for him. I'll make some tea, and then you should all get some more rest." "Unacceptable!" shouted McCaber. "He was fine yesterday. A bit grumpy maybe, but he made fun of Nilp, so I assumed he was doing okay." "Uh, McCaber?" Dun nudged his neighbor, then pointed toward the dark building toward the edge of the Ward. "You know Nilp died a week ago, right? Don't you remember? He sang a love ballad at the wall, then fainted into a gigantic bowl of noodles and never woke up." "That's not the point!" shrieked Sally. "Could you show a little respect for the dead?" "She's right! And who will take our reports to the guards now?" cried Kuru. "Phantom was always our representative!" "Don't remind me," muttered Nerwen, rolling her eyes. "Maybe my sun and stars could take the reports?" "Not every time, my queen," replied Shasta nervously. "I don't feel up to it, and that's a lot of pressure for one person." "After all," agreed Lottie, "not everyone is Phantom." "Are we sure Phantom was human?" asked Boro, but no one heard him, for at that moment, the gates to the morgue creaked open and Phantom's body was taken inside to join Agan, Gal, Nogrod, Formendacil, and so many others who had fallen to darkness before him. "What do we do now?" Lommy whispered, but Legate just shook his head and embraced her, turning away from the morgue entrance. Silence fell over the remaining patients, and though someone eventually spoke, their voice was so weary, it was impossible to identify its owner. "Only five more days...." Patients Nerwen Kuru McCaber Lottie Lalaith Lommy Legate Dun Boro Shasta The Morgue Phantom (for posterity) It is now Day 1. Please remember to highlight your votes for who you want to report to the guards.
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What a mess we've got on our hands! I mean, not literally, what with the apparently sentient morgue and all, but figuratively. We are in a bind. I just don't know what to do. We were going along so peacefully before now... And really, if the Black Breath could take even Phantom, then who's next?
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10-26-2016, 09:51 PM | #3 |
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Second post! I'm clearly not guilty.
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10-26-2016, 09:59 PM | #4 |
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You would say that, wouldn't you? Remember, it's always one of the first three posters...
Wait, what did I say?
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10-26-2016, 10:02 PM | #5 |
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You see, it's this dreadful Black Breath, giving me a death wish!
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10-26-2016, 10:17 PM | #6 |
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What is even more depressing is the knowledge that there are those among us who want us to give up the will to live... creating a feedback loop of negativity and despair! How dreadful!
(Please note that I say "dreadful", not "terrible". If I were evil, I would have used the phrase "terrible things" in order to torment Agan's departed spirit. Given this incontrovertible proof, I should obviously be considered a known innocent from now on.)
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10-26-2016, 11:14 PM | #7 |
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WHERE IS EVERYONE?
Have you all succumbed to the Black Breath already? Am I the last? AIIIEEE! Woe is me, all alone in my dreadful (but not terrible) dark despair!
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10-27-2016, 01:11 AM | #8 |
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So let's lynch Lottie, Boro and Nerwen and be done with it... wait! That's not how this particular game works, is it?
That being said, I'm still studying the rules. I'll be posting some thoughts on them when I have a little more time and a computer, hopefully on my lunch break. So weird but good to be playing again, it's been more than a year since the last game on the 'downs!
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10-27-2016, 01:45 AM | #9 |
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O-ho! Black Breath or no Black Breath, brace yourselves for a twelve-minute speech, because guess what? I have arrived!
.. ... .... Okay okay, maybe let's start more slowly. For one: if I got the rules right, then we should select a representative (yeah, a real pity about The Phantom). What I propose however is that also everyone suggests (maybe via a "normal" vote, i.e. bolded and not highlighted?) the name the representative should deliver to the Guards. It is, of course, then up to the Representative whether they behave like a democratically elected representative of the majority and deliver the name of the most suspected person, or whether they pick the person they choose themselves... and on top of everything, whether they are going to be honest about it. I can imagine several funny scenarios already, but let's not get too ahead of us. As a sidenote, I realise this style of Day 1 may be helpful for the lazier existences among us who prefer not to cast a vote on Day 1, therefore delegating the responsibility on somebody else... Also, since somebody has to mention this, and once again, the phantom isn't here to supply us with plans: since we are just waiting to get rescued, I wonder if a purposeful tie (or a purposeful miss of vote from the Representative) would actually be benefitial for the village. Meaning, the more there are of us, the greater chance we outnumber the Wolves, the bigger chance the Gifteds aren't mislynched, etc. Discuss? Ha! See? That was a short post.
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Yes. If the Representative would respect that (but then I assume they would, resp. I assume we'd choose someone who we know would).
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10-27-2016, 05:16 AM | #12 | |
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10-27-2016, 05:59 AM | #13 |
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The representative doesn't have to send in a name.
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Hello everyone. Just trying to get to grips with everyone and everything around here.
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Curse the Black Breath, and the black mouth from which it emerged!
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Basically what I am offering for discussion is: is it more dangerous for us to start lynching people (given that in this game, we do not have the traditional voting pattern to rely on and on top of everything, we do not know what was the dead person's role!!) and therefore the win-condition for us practically would become that we have to bag a Wolf (or preferrably both) to win; or, to not lynch people on our own and just let the WWs do the process of thinning the numbers of villagers; but if they don't manage to kill both Gifteds, they are guaranteed to lose. I simply think this would be an interesting point to discuss, if nothing else. Otherwise: I suggest we really do cast votes for the person we want as Representative as well as some "unofficial" votes (for example just boldened) for who we would like to see lynched (and we can do it even if we later decide not to lynch anyone in the end. It will lose the point of course, but better to have it than not to have it, anyway. It is still something that tells something about people's thinking, even if they were lying). Unless we decided that they should do so (that was the question in that particular case).
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"Oh woe, woooooooooooe!" a fearful sound echoed through the street.
"Woe Day One! Oh Woe! Wooooooooooe!" "What is that awful sound?" someone asked. "Sound like somebody is lamenting the fact that it is DAY ONE," replied another. "Day One, Woe!" "Well, I wish it would stop," commented the first. Suddenly a terrible clattering and general rukus broke the air. "Woe! Woe!!!!!!" An out of control horse with a terrified Kuruharan clinging to the reins hurtled around the corner. "Woah! Woah Day One, you stupid horse! WOAH!!!!" Horse and rider shot out of sight. "Woah, Day One! WOOOOOOOOAH!" A sound like a dwarf being hurled off the back of a horse and into a fruit stand came back down the street. "What's the meaning of this," demanded an onlooker. "This is my new horse Day One," replied Kuruharan. "We're trapped in this ward. How did you get a horse?" "It was necessary so it appeared," said Kuruharan. The horse, Day One, abruptly disappeared into thin air. "I've been sitting on that gag for eight months now waiting for the chance to use it and, by crackey, I was going to!" exclaimed Kuruharan. (I promise to make a serious post soon.)
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Since what we suffer from most of all is a lack of information, I think we should all explicitly state our intentions in the case that we are elected representative. Maybe not names, necessarily, although I do think a name would be nice later in the day when we are close to voting, but we should spell out our general philosophies and strategies early in the Day so that we have a framework to build on later.
For example, I would be opposed to letting a "lynch" opportunity slip away, simply because we have no way of knowing if the Gifteds have died, and I don't want to wake up on the last Day to a surprise defeat when it turns out the Black Death has claimed them after all. We have two gifteds, right (on mobile, can't check), and... eight innocents? And the wolves are going to kill five of us? That's more than half the village, and way too many shots at a Gifted for how small we are for my comfort. I don't have time to do the statistics, but that doesn't seem like good odds to me. So who would I exile from the Ward were I elected representative? With nothing else to go on this early, I would choose the person most obviously hinting that they were drowning in despair after having heard whispers in the night, because if you were a wolf, it would be a great idea to try to make the herbalist heal you instead of your victim.
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10-27-2016, 08:11 AM | #21 |
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Personally, I think we should lynch Kuru and the terrible pun he rode in on.
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This will probably be a series of short serious posts since I am at work and can't stay on the board for extended periods. I think we need to establish facts so the Ward is working from the same foundation. Some of this may seem obvious, but I think it should be stated for clarity. 1) We can assume that people who are Black Breathed are innocent. It would be one twisted group of...let's call them Wolves for the sake of brevity...who would do in one of their own in a game with this level of anonymity. Not to say it is utterly impossible, but we should assume they would not do this at the beginning. 2) We cannot trust the intentions of the representative! This is a vital point to establish. The Ward must make clear to the representative the appropriate target selection. The only way to hold the representative accountable is if the target is clear and then punish them if they deviate from the Ward's will. 3) While I am tentatively inclined to be supportive of Legate's suggestion of not lynching somebody toDAY...I believe the numbers dictate that we will have to eventually. We can't win by just passing the lynch each time. I would like to run the numbers now, but I have a meeting. Hopefully we can have some people independently run the numbers to verify our possible scenarios. I will do it myself when I have a chance. 4) This game would be more awesome with a Dead Thread! All games should have Dead Threads now!
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10-27-2016, 08:55 AM | #23 |
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I don't even get the pun. I'm so embarrassed. Maybe just lynch me for sheer slow-wittedness.
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Ok, so the rules state:
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10-27-2016, 10:00 AM | #25 |
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I lied. I am guilty. Guilty of not caring about the phantom's demise. If I was in the conspirators' shoes, I would have done the same. Let's be honest, it's a far quieter and headache reduced with his loss. Am I right?
I actually would like to give a reward to those who did us all a great service and favor. Come forward, collect your reward - all expenses-paid weekend passes to the beautiful Dol Amroth resort (once this nasty business of war is over). Plus, free muffins at Mablung's Magic Muffins for life.
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My intentions for Day 1 as it is: I am not 100% sure about that, but I would consider not sending a lynch the first Day at all. I would, however, also support a public opinion (unless by some inexplicable chain of events it was absolutely contrary to all human logic in my opinion, but in that case I don't assume people would choose me in the first place). MORE IMPORTANTLY: I believe we should elect someone we can trust. Basically the most innocent. If we get the opinions from everyone (preferably early enough before DL!), then the vote can also be based on that. Quote:
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Quick dash in while I work on a numbers post
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My intention was to state that we could look at their posts after they are definitively gone and feel fairly confident of their innocence. The utility of this will have to be left for us to determine later.
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And when I say "utility" I mean that since we are all operating in the dark there is no guarantee that the innocents were speculating on good information.
But we must work with what we have.
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Don't be intimidated, this post isn't as long as it seems
There is an ambiguity here. O Moddess, please review this.
PURE NO LYNCH SCENARIO DAY ONE Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 Player 4 Player 5 Player 6 Player 7 Baddie 8 Baddie 9 Baddie 10 DAY TWO Player 2 Player 3 Player 4 Player 5 Player 6 Player 7 Baddie 8 Baddie 9 Baddie 10 Dead Player 1 DAY THREE Player 3 Player 4 Player 5 Player 6 Player 7 Baddie 8 Baddie 9 Baddie 10 Dead Player 1 Player 2 DAY FOUR Player 4 Player 5 Player 6 Player 7 Baddie 8 Baddie 9 Baddie 10 Dead Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 DAY FIVE Player 5 Player 6 Player 7 Baddie 8 Baddie 9 Baddie 10 Dead Player 1 Player 2 Player 3 Player 4 1) Everyone please review my numbers to make sure they are correct. 2) Oh Moddess, when does the game end? Do we get a DAY SIX where the last person with the Black Breath dies or might die? 3) If there is no DAY SIX death, then the potential for the Ward to win by just refusing to lynch each time is there...at least according to my potentially flawed counting. (Never trust me with numbers.) 4) My reading of the rules is that the wolves don't win simply by eliminating the gifteds. They have a win condition of eliminating both gifteds and having one of them survive. Please review and discuss. This is important for the course of the game.
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Don't feel bad. The joke was quite stupid.
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If I did my very quick math right, the probability that we lose both Gifteds is about 30%. I would estimate higher, because it isn't just a shot in the dark. All of us here know how to hunt Godteds, and that will be priority number one for the wolves. Not the best odds, in my opinion, but not insurmountable. I still don't like the plan, though. I think it leaves too much up to the wolves.
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Well the biggest problem I see in it is that even if the whole village agrees not to lynch anyone ever, then if a Wolf manages to infiltrate the Rep even once (for example the Day before the last), they would win. (Or would they? Anyway, you get the point - it basically depends on everyone keeping that strategy all the time. We'd have to keep in line, and not to chicken out at some wrong moment just because we lose a nerve.)
As a counter-argument, I still trust the Gifteds we have would be able to help as well. The WWs have to either try to kill them, or work around them so that they don't waste a kill, etc... so that balances out the lack of knowledge on the innocents' part. EDIT: x-ed with Zil
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10-27-2016, 11:47 AM | #36 |
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What calling the Guards? If I got it right, that's an event which happens on Day 5 spontaneously (or 6??? Clarification here, sally? When exactly does it happen? Evening of Day 5? Morning of Day 5? Morning of Day 6?). So the game ends on that Day in any case, just depends of what is the ratio in the village and whether the Gifteds are still alive. Am I reading it right?
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The gifteds are not exempt from being dispatched by the guards; they will remove whomever they are instructed to by the representative.
As for the other question at hand, the game will end at the dawn of Day 6, which means any fates sealed over the previous Night will affect the outcome of the game. X'd with Legate, as I finally beat my phone into submission
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I disagree. (Technical note: according to the rules, nobody is allowed to actually "announce" it, but they can make hints, of course.) If all the villagers, from the next Day on, avoid saying things like "I am not feeling well" just as a banter and only say it when they are actually being affected by the Black Breath, then it could be a decent tool for the village, if the Herbalist cooperates. Because then if one Wolf decides to sow confusion into this and pretends to be sick, then we have two people on the thread who say "oh I slept really badly toNight", and it is clear one of them is probably sick and the other probably an impostor Wolf. Granted, we don't know the roles, so it may be a problem, and if neither of them dies, we don't know whether it is because they were cured, resp which of them was cured, or if they are both Wolves, or whatever. But it is at least something to process; like if one person keeps constantly whining how sick they are and still they aren't dying, then it is bound to become suspicious. But of course, that's just my opinion.
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Well, that answers that.
On balance, my opinion is that we should not lynch somebody toDAY. Given the dynamics of this game I think we need to stretch the game (as it were). That, and we have precious little to go on toDAY. We are more likely to shoot an innocent than a wolf by firing wildly in the dark. However, I am still open to persuasion. We will have to nominate a representative toDAY and we may need to start serious discussions in that line before too much longer.
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