A "Complete Silmarillion" in Spanish

[gondowe]

Because is written in this thread and here can be watched and it was posted years ago. This is my project and my chapter structure, not of this forum, in this forum, from many more years ago, had another chapter structure, but at last the composing of the texts is what matters and have the same "historical" information. That is what we have to discuss first.

Greetings.

[Arvegil145]

Originally Posted by gondowe

Because is written in this thread and here can be watched and it was posted years ago. This is my project and my chapter structure, not of this forum, in this forum, from many more years ago, had another chapter structure, but at last the composing of the texts is what matters and have the same "historical" information. That is what we have to discuss first.

Greetings.

Well, I say that because I think your outline is excellent, and I'm saying that it should be included in the thread about the outline because, with some polishing it could be the DEFINITIVE outline!

[Arvegil145]

Narn e·mbar Hador
-Prologue

To what prologue do you refer to?

[Arvegil145]

Narn en-Êl egor Narn e·Dant Gondolin ar orthad en-Êl

1 The birth and fostering of Tuor
2 The call of Ulmo
3 The arriving at Vinyamar
4 The speech of Tuor and Ulmo
5 Voronwë
6 The quest of Gondolin
7 The hidden pass
8 The arriving at Gondolin
9 Tuor in Gondolin and the birth of the New Star
10 The Treason of Maeglin
11 The Fall of Gondolin
12 The Flight of the exiles
13 The song of Tuor in Nan-tathen
14 The Departure of Tuor and Idril and the voyages of Eärendil
15 The attack of the sons of Fëanor and the Third Kin-slaying
16 The Great Voyage of Eärendil and the raising of the Star

Where did you find those chapters? Or did you make it up? I have also found a need to insert sub-chapters into "Tuor" - after all the story is 35,000 words long, and it looks ridiculous to have such a substantial chapter with no headings at all.

[Findegil]

Ah, gondowe, nice to read from you again!

Of course your chapter structure generates some questions:
What is the Content of '-Of the Orkor in your Silmarillion?
How did avoid simple repeation of text passages when you include both, the short chapters in the Silamrillion and the end of the Atanatarion which foresure is constructed from the same material?
Should not 'Of the Dwarves and their relations with Men' come earlier? I think that what is in there is from Of Dwraves and Men. If so it refers to the time before the Fall of Eregion. But then it tells so at the end, so yes, probably structur works best in that way.

Posted by Arvegil145:

with some polishing it could be the DEFINITIVE outline

At least not for this project. Some of the titles are re-translations as it seems (which could be amended by providing the original) any many are made up. Thus it does not fit to the rules that this project has given it self.

Respectfuly
Findegil

P.S.: Arvegil145 please restirct your quoting to what is necessary as a reference to what you to comment on. Nobody will read through gondowe's structure a second time only because you reposted it.

[gondowe]

Here I am again. Fastly, with little time.

Originally Posted by Findegil

What is the Content of '-Of the Orkor in your Silmarillion?

Well it'd must be discussed when you can reach the point, but basically is a mixture of the QS/Annals/MT texts showing the typical "Some said that.... but others said that"

Originally Posted by Findegil

How did avoid simple repeation of text passages when you include both, the short chapters in the Silamrillion and the end of the Atanatarion which foresure is constructed from the same material?

You asked me time ago in this thread: Quotation from Post47

"Findegil wrote.
What I miss is a tale of the years of the first age. I know that we have that only for the last couple of years but I still think in your kind of project it should be included.

Its included as the last Appendix of Volume one. E Yenonotie. The Tale of Years.

About the other matter, really its a case of repeatition, but I shortened anyway lots of it, (its a real pity that you cannot read it for being in spanish, to compare).

Anyway I feel fine with it, because its the most approached to the knowed final structure projects of the professor, if Tolkien wanted to repeat the story, amen ( evidently with other words). But we only have what we have."

Originally Posted by Findegil

Should not 'Of the Dwarves and their relations with Men' come earlier? I think that what is in there is from Of Dwraves and Men. If so it refers to the time before the Fall of Eregion. But then it tells so at the end, so yes, probably structur works best in that way.

I don't remember well now how I managed the texts, but this text together with that Of Durin's Folk in the Third Age were composed basically with Of Dwarves and Men and the Appendix of TLotR dividing the information of both ages. Of course I considered some other sources but unfortunately I had not the editing structure of yours, quoting the sources, and I would have to study deeply it. ..... When you reach the point.

Arvegil145
I named Prologue to the text from the beginning of TCoH till is said Turin had 5 years. I though it was a "common history" to both "House of Hador Texts"

As for the chapter structure of Tuor, yes, they were more or less invented, but was discussed in this thread near the beginning. Quotation from Post 8

Originally Posted by Findegil

As might be suspected, I have a view questions:
- Since I never saw any sign of your chapterheadings, I assume you invented them. For what reason did you do that?

Yes I invented them. After the publication of The Children of Hurin I wanted that his cousin had a similar story, and that invention (I think) is not against the story and don’t changes anything wrote by Tolkien. It’s only a heading.

Greetings

[Findegil]

Thanks for the info, gondowe, and for the reminder.

Respectfuly
Findegil