T-I-G CIV: Spambot Apocalypse (Game Thread)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boro

But right at the start of the day G55 claims she's the seer. I knew then she's the hacker feeling now was the best time to sacrifice herself. I didn't want to reveal until she gave the full fake claims, because I knew it was a hacker attempt to draw me out.

In the situation we're in, if you truly are the real Seer, you should have countered the instant G55 revealed as the Seer. We had no reason not to believe G55 - we're at the point in the game where the Seer basically has to come forward with information, so saying you were trying to avoid being drawn out by the Hacker is silly.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by BG

I'm not "tooth-and-nail" for him. I personally don't trust G55, I've stated it multiple times now. First I saw her as the Cobbler, now I just see a wolf trying to protect a Cobbler.

I sometimes wonder if you read what you post, BG. Why on earth would a Wolf put it all on the line to protect a Cobbler?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ok, just to let you folks know that I am around and reading. I am past G55's lists of dreamed people, I just glimpsed who is being voted so far. Personally I don't have anything against lynching Boro, in fact, I would probably have suggested that, although I want to read also what he has posted since I last read the thread. BG likewise puzzles me, but we'll see. I am inclined to believe G55, obviously because I know I am innocent, therefore if she were a Hacker, either she would be a really badly-aiming one or just not using her full havoc-wreaking potential.

But more after I have actually read everything.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, it seems things have cleared pretty much now in many ways. I had not even read Boro's counter-reveal before posting the previous, and now

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Night 1 I dreamed Rune ordo.
Night 2 I dreamed G55 ordo, but it's abundantly clear now she's the hacker.
Night 3 I dreamed Legate...and he turned up Spammy.

Which is a nonsense, obviously. Hats off to Boro, but .

For a Seer, once they have a Wolf, there is NO reason to stay hidden. If they don't have anyone, like G55 said, then there is some logic to waiting a bit and trying to get a bit more info. But when you have a Wolf, and ESPECIALLY after a Seer reveal? NO real Seer would have remained quiet after that, IF they had a Wolf! What if people started to vote? The whole timing was set by G55, she asked people to hold their votes until she came back. Why would you wait?

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Oh I know. But now we have 2 people claiming to be the Seer and the second looks a lot better than you. I stand by you being the hacker, helping a potential wolf. That quote backs it up for me.

Okay, now I am confused. So I wonder if BG is a Hacker. Boro could be one as well, or that was my question... but I think G55 might have something in her post, where she is debating that a Wolf-Boro might have counter-revealed at this point as well. Or then BG is just totally confused innocent (but I personally hope not).

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And now Boro has claimed Seer. I think I'm still going to have to go with G55, though. The bots basically have to counter the Seer at this point in the game - and besides that, now we know one of G55 and Boro is a wolf. Which means we haven't lost quite yet - if we do pick wrong today (I don't think we're going to, but the possibility is there) we ought to have one more shot tomorrow, unless I'm doing my math wrong.

Precisely my thoughts. (Note that this does not mean Shasta can't be the remaining Bot, but at least here the thought is right.)

In any case, I am pretty sure voting Boro at this point is the right thing. Will do so in a minute, unless there are any other thoughts or reasons why not to do so. But I think we should not spread our votes any more anyway.

[Morsul the Dark]

++BORO

Shasta's right should've countered immediately, If you are the SEER then that was poor timing.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, so what we have...

Innocents:
Galadriel55 - Seer, apparently
Morsul the Dark - the Hunter, apparently

Baddies:
Boromir88 - either Hacker or Bot

Likely baddies:
Blind Guardian - either Hacker or rather loud Bot or a really really confused ordo

Others:
Kitanna
Shasta

Basically, I think we have Boro and BG as the most likely suspects for now, and if they are not both Wolves, then we would have to continue after that. Personally, Shasta's eagerness to lynch Boro, even though obviously right, may be a way to ditch a Hacker instead of a Wolf and/or distance oneself from a packmate.

Anyway, I think lynching Boro at this point is the best way, because even if he happened to be a Hacker, it is certain that he's a baddie down. And I would not put it past him to try to pass as Hacker if he is a Bot anyway, and all that...

If he turns out to be a Hacker and not a Bot, I guess I would start being a bit more watchful about Shasta. Though BG is also still very much suspicious, but if Boro turns out to be a Bot, I would more likely see BG as Hacker. Because I don't know who else but those two behaves in a Cobbler-y manner here. Of course, Cobblers can be also subtle, but I would still expect them to be somewhat loud.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Anyway, thinking ahead. It is relatively certain that toMorrow, there will be 5 people left. I guess we can presume that we lynch a baddie toDay (Hacker or Wolf, at this point it really does not matter which) and that the WWs will kill somebody during the Night, that is probably the Seer. Really a pity we don't have the Ranger anymore!

It leaves known innocents, probably: Morsul and me, and then one other Ordo and one Wolf and one Wolf/Cobbler. Basically the lynch the next Day should be a baddie; it is important to keep the innocents voting together.

The balance of numbers at this point actually makes me wonder if Boro really is a Hacker. A way to try to tip the balance in the Wolves' favor after G55's and Morsul's reveal. Then again, BG could be too, just a Hacker who did not act early enough or wasn't determined enough to stop G55 and was in the last minute trying to help the Wolves after she had calculated how the numbers stand at the moment. That would actually maybe make even more sense, and in that case, Boro is really a Wolf.

[Kitanna]

Now, onto our seers. G55 was playing rather erratically since day one. I would have sworn she was the hacker day one, I wasn't so sure day two when she dropped the banter. Today she revealed right away and I didn't think she was a bot, but again thought if she wasn't really the seer she was a hacker.

Now that Boro has also revealed I'm thinking G55 is probably innocent. I can't trust Boro because he's been known to pull the wool over people's eyes with his cunning. When he gets desperate to survive he will pull all manner of crazy things. He's been sparse this game so I could understand why he wasn't the first to post, but if he was really the seer he'd have revealed first chance he got after G55 and he didn't.