T-I-G CIV: Spambot Apocalypse (Game Thread)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

And now Boro has claimed Seer. I think I'm still going to have to go with G55, though. The bots basically have to counter the Seer at this point in the game - and besides that, now we know one of G55 and Boro is a wolf. Which means we haven't lost quite yet - if we do pick wrong today (I don't think we're going to, but the possibility is there) we ought to have one more shot tomorrow, unless I'm doing my math wrong.

++Boro

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

The bots basically have to counter the Seer at this point in the game - and besides that, now we know one of G55 and Boro is a wolf.

Problem: no, we don't. Boro might be a cobbler, and from your perspective I could be one too.

Now I really have to go, else no chance of seeing me before DL.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Problem: no, we don't. Boro might be a cobbler, and from your perspective I could be one too.

Now I really have to go, else no chance of seeing me before DL.

That's true, in the technical sense. However, we have one of your dreams being Morsul, who came out as the Hunter before you mentioned dreaming him, which is a point in your favor as far as I'm concerned - and on the other end of the spectrum we have BG who is tooth-and-nail defending Boro, the other Seer claim. I don't recall if she's been a Cobbler before, but I could definitely see her actions being those of a first-time Cobbler desperately throwing her lot in with someone she believes is a wolf.

[Blind Guardian]

Either you're a wolf and he's a hacker or he's a wolf and you're the hacker.

First off, all of your "fake reveals" and jokes. IRL I'm less likely to trust someone that keeps changing their opinions. Especially since the first thing you said was "I am a wolf" and then admitted that you would actually do something like that.

If I was a wolf I would totally pretend to be someone I wasn't from the beginning and sow confusion amongst the innocents. If I was a seer I wouldn't tell/hint any one anything until the last possible moment.

I never saw any clue about his hunting abilities.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

That's true, in the technical sense. However, we have one of your dreams being Morsul, who came out as the Hunter before you mentioned dreaming him, which is a point in your favor as far as I'm concerned - and on the other end of the spectrum we have BG who is tooth-and-nail defending Boro, the other Seer claim. I don't recall if she's been a Cobbler before, but I could definitely see her actions being those of a first-time Cobbler desperately throwing her lot in with someone she believes is a wolf.

I'm not "tooth-and-nail" for him. I personally don't trust G55, I've stated it multiple times now. First I saw her as the Cobbler, now I just see a wolf trying to protect a Cobbler.

++Galadriel55

I quite frankly don't care if you guys lynch me. At this point the wolves will pretty much win anyways.

1 Hacker, 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, 2 Wolves and 2 Villages (or 3 Wolves, 1 Villager)

If I'm the Hacker that leaves you guys with 1 Seer, 1 Hunter, 2 villagers and 2 Wolves. Baddies: 2, Villagers: 4 (+1 nightkill = 3 Villagers)

If I'm the Seer and they're both lying, 1 Hacker, 2 Wolves, 1 Hunter, and 2 Villagers. Baddies: 3, Villagers: 3 (+1 nightkill = 2 Villagers)

If I'm the Hunter that leaves 1 Seer, 2 Villagers, 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves. (Baddies: 3, villagers: 3) + night kill = 2

If I am a villager: 1 Seer, 1 Villager, 1 Hunter, 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves (Baddies: 3, Villager: 3) + nightkill = 2

And If I'm a wolf: 1 Seer, 1 Villager, 1 Hunter, 1 Hacker, and 2 Wolves. (Baddies: 3, Villager: 3) + nightkill = 2

If we kill of Boro, the Wolves kill G55. If we kill G55 (and she's a seer), then who will the Wolves kill (implying Boro is evil)? If we kill Boro (and he's evil), the Wolves kill G55 anyways. Let's just get this over with. If you guys kill me, the wolves kill G55.

Good night you guys, girls, and bots. Hopefully I see you toMorrow.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Boro

But right at the start of the day G55 claims she's the seer. I knew then she's the hacker feeling now was the best time to sacrifice herself. I didn't want to reveal until she gave the full fake claims, because I knew it was a hacker attempt to draw me out.

In the situation we're in, if you truly are the real Seer, you should have countered the instant G55 revealed as the Seer. We had no reason not to believe G55 - we're at the point in the game where the Seer basically has to come forward with information, so saying you were trying to avoid being drawn out by the Hacker is silly.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by BG

I'm not "tooth-and-nail" for him. I personally don't trust G55, I've stated it multiple times now. First I saw her as the Cobbler, now I just see a wolf trying to protect a Cobbler.

I sometimes wonder if you read what you post, BG. Why on earth would a Wolf put it all on the line to protect a Cobbler?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Ok, just to let you folks know that I am around and reading. I am past G55's lists of dreamed people, I just glimpsed who is being voted so far. Personally I don't have anything against lynching Boro, in fact, I would probably have suggested that, although I want to read also what he has posted since I last read the thread. BG likewise puzzles me, but we'll see. I am inclined to believe G55, obviously because I know I am innocent, therefore if she were a Hacker, either she would be a really badly-aiming one or just not using her full havoc-wreaking potential.

But more after I have actually read everything.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, it seems things have cleared pretty much now in many ways. I had not even read Boro's counter-reveal before posting the previous, and now

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Night 1 I dreamed Rune ordo.
Night 2 I dreamed G55 ordo, but it's abundantly clear now she's the hacker.
Night 3 I dreamed Legate...and he turned up Spammy.

Which is a nonsense, obviously. Hats off to Boro, but .

For a Seer, once they have a Wolf, there is NO reason to stay hidden. If they don't have anyone, like G55 said, then there is some logic to waiting a bit and trying to get a bit more info. But when you have a Wolf, and ESPECIALLY after a Seer reveal? NO real Seer would have remained quiet after that, IF they had a Wolf! What if people started to vote? The whole timing was set by G55, she asked people to hold their votes until she came back. Why would you wait?

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Oh I know. But now we have 2 people claiming to be the Seer and the second looks a lot better than you. I stand by you being the hacker, helping a potential wolf. That quote backs it up for me.

Okay, now I am confused. So I wonder if BG is a Hacker. Boro could be one as well, or that was my question... but I think G55 might have something in her post, where she is debating that a Wolf-Boro might have counter-revealed at this point as well. Or then BG is just totally confused innocent (but I personally hope not).

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

And now Boro has claimed Seer. I think I'm still going to have to go with G55, though. The bots basically have to counter the Seer at this point in the game - and besides that, now we know one of G55 and Boro is a wolf. Which means we haven't lost quite yet - if we do pick wrong today (I don't think we're going to, but the possibility is there) we ought to have one more shot tomorrow, unless I'm doing my math wrong.

Precisely my thoughts. (Note that this does not mean Shasta can't be the remaining Bot, but at least here the thought is right.)

In any case, I am pretty sure voting Boro at this point is the right thing. Will do so in a minute, unless there are any other thoughts or reasons why not to do so. But I think we should not spread our votes any more anyway.

[Boromir88]

In response to G55, my posts aren't going to tire anyone out, there haven't been that many of them, but the limitted amount I've said about people is quite clear. I couldn't be present for Day 1 at all.

But first post Day 2:

For what it's worth, if I had been around to vote yesterday it would have been Morsul. Eventhough if Rune's posting didn't help his case, his first post was titled "Robocop" which I read as an intentional gifted hint. (Robocop being a very bad - but kind of adorably campy 80s movie about a cop who is killed but then gets robotically engineered to continue fighting crime. That would have made me wary enough to not vote Rune on day 1.)

Had dreamed Rune night 1, but I'm not going to come out and declare I knew the lynched man was innocent. So, I made up the reason. Same post. My first in Day 2, is the clue that I dreamed G55 the previous night. She came up ordo, but noting my suspicions that she's the hacker.

Where G55 and Morsul were giving the biggest "I'm the hacker" vibes. G55 doing it intentionally and in Morsul's case more of just Morsul always being the most confusing.

It typically gets me into trouble, but really it's just silly if we think we know who the hacker is but decide "oh hey, we need to lynch bots not the hacker, so let's vote for someone else who looks shady, even if G55 is intentionally looking hackerish." I mean yeah, we have to lynch the bots, but at the same time, if someone's going out of their way looking like the hacker, they either are the hacker and it would be better off to lynch sooner rather than later. Or their a bot playing the hacker because they know the reaction is going to be "oh we have to kill bots, not the hacker." If the hacker wants to be the early lynch sacrifice that's far less damaging than just letting the hacker stay around indefinitely. When we know the bots aren't going to kill the role and when the lynches get more crucial making it easier for the bots and hacker to join forces and push the lynches to their favor.

G55 asks why I would have voted for Morsul:

Question: why Morsul and not me? Because he had votes and I did not, so you wouldn't want to bring in a new candidate?

I took the question as an ordo, but suspecting hacker trying to get information out of me so, my response when I returned was a simple. "Yes and I'm back." Then night 3 I dreamed Legate was a spammer.

But right at the start of the day G55 claims she's the seer. I knew then she's the hacker feeling now was the best time to sacrifice herself. I didn't want to reveal until she gave the full fake claims, because I knew it was a hacker attempt to draw me out.

Shasta you just botched the vote terribly. I'm not a wolf. Neither is G55. Definitely don't lynch me, but we can't lynch G55 either. We need a bot. I'm telling you that one of them is Legate. Read through the events again, Morsul reveals he's the hunter, and only then does G55 says "I protected you because I knew all along" the real spammer she's protecting is Legate. So, either you just can't waste your time to read and blundered, or you're a spammer with Legate realizing now you can push the lynch onto me and win it if you get another innocent lynched. Kill either Kitanna or BG, and then with your hacker, G55, win it the next day.

I have to go to sleep now, will be back before the DL. I just plead for people to know Shasta's math is wrong. We need a wolf today. And carefully read through the events today to see I'm telling the truth about Legate and G55.

[Galadriel55]

Reading.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Had dreamed Rune night 1, but I'm not going to come out and declare I knew the lynched man was innocent. So, I made up the reason.

By suggesting he was not what you "knew" he was and everybody already knew what he was, ie ordo? I mean, if you say you thought he was gifted when he was an ordo, that does not sound like you dreamt him.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

My first in Day 2, is the clue that I dreamed G55 the previous night. She came up ordo, but noting my suspicions that she's the hacker.

What part of the post exactly is the clue? "All of it" is not what I asked for. That's an attitude.

And if you dreamt me ordo but suspected me of cobblery, very well, but why do you try to hint at / puch a lynch for such cobblery? You've just dreamt an innocent. No way for you to know if I'm ordo or cobbler. You really risk it? "oooh, I've just dreamt innocent who just may be a baddie that doesn't count in the tally, so I'll make my priority toDay finding out for sure". Great hint post from a Seer.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Shasta you just botched the vote terribly. I'm not a wolf. Neither is G55. Definitely don't lynch me, but we can't lynch G55 either. We need a bot.

Oh, so now it's not ok to lynch cobblers because evil behaviour is evil behaviour. Alright.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

First off, all of your "fake reveals" and jokes. IRL I'm less likely to trust someone that keeps changing their opinions. Especially since the first thing you said was "I am a wolf" and then admitted that you would actually do something like that.

I also revealed as Seer, Ranger, Hunter, Cobbler and Ordo. If these were meant as serious reveales and you believed them - honey, I feel sorry for you.

Originally Posted by BG

If I was a wolf I would totally pretend to be someone I wasn't from the beginning and sow confusion amongst the innocents.

By so seriously revealing to be a wolf?

Originally Posted by BG

If I was a seer I wouldn't tell/hint any one anything until the last possible moment.

In my opinion that wouldn't have made a very reliable Seer. You assume you won't ever be Night-killed, only lynched. And then people will be scouring your posts for clues. Not only are you dying in silence, depriving the village of information by not leaving hints, but you can cause the death of innocents by leaving posts that could be interpreted as clues but really are just your own opinion. BG, you're just not making sense.

[quote=BGI never saw any clue about his hunting abilities.[/quote]

So go back to my post where I quote it, and you can't miss it.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I'm not "tooth-and-nail" for him. I personally don't trust G55, I've stated it multiple times now. First I saw her as the Cobbler, now I just see a wolf trying to protect a Cobbler.

Yes, you are tooth and nail. What a vehement defense/attack. As for the second part, what happened about believing me to be the Seer? You do realize that if it wasn't for my joke revealing, you could have easily got me killed like that the second Night, and you just couldn't keep quiet about your discovery.

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

Let's just get this over with. If you guys kill me, the wolves kill G55.

Why so kamikaze? There's been lots of suspicion, yes, but not that much danger of an actual lynch. I'm beginning to agree with Shasta that you're a cobbler. You're just so desperate to get it off Boro, even if it means onto yourself.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Personally, Shasta's eagerness to lynch Boro, even though obviously right, may be a way to ditch a Hacker instead of a Wolf and/or distance oneself from a packmate.

Personally... remember how I said he's only voted for innocents? I forgot the timing. He voted on existing "waggons", and in D1 they were both innocent, and in D2 there was only one, I think. He couldn't really turn the tide. Now though, his eagerness also could point to his marvelous bussing skills. He knows Boro's a dead man, so might as well help himself.

I'm at post 213, but posting this anyways.

[Galadriel55]

++Boro

What else is there left to do?

[Galadriel55]

Shasta - Boro
BG - G55
Morsul - Boro 2
Legate - Boro 3
Boro - G55 2
G55 - Boro 4

[Galadriel55]

My suspicions currently:

If Boro is the wolf, check Shasta. BG is more likely to be the cobbler.

If Boro is the cobbler, check Shasta anyways. BG is probably a wolf.



By the way, if Boro's just voting to make a point (cause he can't escape it at the time of his vote anyways), why vote me if he just said toDay that we must get Legate!wolf. If you want to make a parting shot or make a point, why go for a cobbler when you can go for a wolf?

I know this is useless analysis by now, but just for the sake of it. It doesn't sound at all believable if you're voting against your own words and convictions, especially when you "know" of a better and more important target to make a point against.

EDIT: xed with Kit

[Galadriel55]

Btw, if Legate is the hacker and Boro is a wolf, that's a pretty unlucky choice of dream. He can hardly vote himself to support Boro, but by voting Boro he defeats the point of being the hacker. So either just a very unlucky shot, or the wolves have located the hacker elsewhere. If they had a thought that Legate was the hacker, Boro would not point to him as the wolf.

[Boromir88]

Why would I want to lynch the bots?

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Why would I want to lynch the bots?

Do you realize what you just said?

[Kitanna]

++Boro

I hope he's a bot and not a hacker.

BG: Has moved up my list on suspicions. Her behavior today looks like any excuse to lead the village away from Boro (after his reveal) and throw it onto G55. A desperate act to save a packmate? An attempt to signal the bots their hacker is here and ready for action?

Morsul: I believe his reveal, because as I said hunter isn't the best role to false reveal about. And G55 dreamt him if she's the seer.

Legate: If G55 is the seer than innocent. I haven't seen any hints or posts from Legate suggesting hackerish activity so I doubt he is, but he still could be since he'd be dreamt of as ordo.

Shasta: Seemed a bit eager to throw Boro under the bus. Distancing perhaps?

I just realized what time it is. So I'm going to end now before day runs out.