WW CI - Mutton yesterDay, mutton toDay and mutton toMorrow

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Problem with Internet at home. Can only get on from phone. Will not be voting today - cannot read thread. Don't lynch me. Bad idea. Hopefully fixed toMorrow.

[Gil-Galad]

Volo has been one that has been playing rather... Sloppy. This could mean that Vol has no role and thus little interest, or trying to play it super low if given a role. The bandwagon comment and bringing Nerwen back up to a potential lynchee is unsettling.

Thus for toDay, I am going to have to say:

++Volo

If he turns out to be an Ordo, then I will have to go back to my initial suspect of Brin. We shall see toNight as I won't be back on until right before the deadline.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Zil

Greenie's vote could be seen as bandwaggonish, but she reasoned it pretty well.

Actually I cross-posted with Rikae's vote, so I thought I was the first to vote McCaber.

Originally Posted by McCaber

Ok, I need to leave for class soon which means I need to make my voting choice for toNight now. And I have to say, from here Rikae's sudden turn after Pom's and my votes looks rather fishy. She did her best to turn everyone's attention away from Pom and onto me, despite that our votes and reasoning were basically identical (and on line with what Rikae herself had posted just ahead of that). To me, that behavior reads like being able to make points against a fellow wizard while getting an innocent lynched at the same time. Maybe I'm too close to this to see really objectively on it, but as I'm short on time and nothing has really jumped out at me toNight as wizard-sign,

This is, I think, a shrewd point. I probably can't vote McCaber toDay since he makes so much sense to me!

Originally Posted by Gil

I feel like I need to point this out and ask for others to keep an eye on it, but something is bugging me about Brin and Nerwe. Just that Brin voted Nerwe, then when I voted the same I got the most attention. I had to explain my reasoning later to defend myself since I couldn't say "Its a secret test" at first which would ultimately defeat the secret part of the test. Now Brins posts for toDay are giving Nerwe all her trust and making my vote be the bad guy.

Also a good point, and something I might want to look into. (Especially seeing as those two ladies are the players I've always had most trouble reading. Them and Inzil, that is.)

Originally Posted by Cop

Shasta: He voted Pom, making that the deciding vote. That was important. However, I don't think it says anything at all for whether Shasta is innocent. From either side, that was a good move to make.

Might be just a different opinion on what's a good move for a wolf, but for me, giving a fellow a deciding vote that way seems insane. Especially coming from someone who had hardly had time to post at all and who therefore could have gone for anyone without seeming inconsistent. So yeah, giving Shasta a pass for the moment.

Originally Posted by Sally

Intentionally starting a bandwagon and admitting to doing so is just never going to sit right with me.

The thing is, you can't lynch anyone without multiple people voting for the same person. What killed Pomzard yesterDay was, in effect, a bandwagon. We tend not to call it that because it worked out well for us, but that's essentially what it was. So yes, I think that in our great adversity to bandwagons, we tend to forget they can be pretty useful too.

Which is not to say that I agree with Volo's vote for Nerwen. I never could read her so I have next to no idea whether to suspect her or not, but I definitely don't think she's our best bet toDay.


EDIT: x-ed with Gil and Copper

[Kath]

Hello! I'm here! Quick deadline check - from the timing of this post I have 2 hours yes?

Off for a readthrough. :-)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Kath

Hello! I'm here! Quick deadline check - from the timing of this post I have 2 hours yes?

Correct.

[Coppermirror]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Correct.

Oh, thank goodness. I read the timezones wrong and thought there was only half of that to go.

[Nogrod]

You guys do post. I would have been soo happy about this a few years ago but now with little time to spare it kind of makes it seem more like a hopeless mountain to climb.

Still one whole page to read... but here and reading... back soon.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Kath

Hello! I'm here! Quick deadline check - from the timing of this post I have 2 hours yes?

Off for a readthrough. :-)

Just affirming that it indeed is correct And as a general reminder, that votes should be cast before the XX:01 time.

[Kath]

Comments on me:
I fear I have misunderstood something given how many people commented on my post about the Wizard of Oz yesterDay. Someone said me not replying was suspicious. Even had I been there I wouldn't have known what I was replying to - what did I miss?

Ah it was Volo who said my failure to reply was trying to intentionally be mysterious. He would have undoubtedly noticed my absence and knows my playing history. This is odd to me.

Pom:
Mentioned the Gil/Nerwen debate and determined both were innocents. Thinks Cop's early vote for someone who is usually a valuable villager is suspicious. Says Brinn is suspicious for voting someone who was trying to get discussion going. Thinks Nerwen isn't suspicious. Went 'oh no! bandwagon!' after STARTING the bandwagon! Well I can see why she was lynched now!

Votes:
Cop --> Boro (gut feeling, little content)
Morsul --> Kath (Cobbler hints <-- this I don't get!)
Brinn --> Nerwen (excessive banter and picking comments to use for lynch material)
Gil --> Nerwen 2 (no reasoning, says she has most input but won't add another name?!?)
McCaber --> Coppermirror (for being hasty and suspicion-mongering)
Pom --> Coppermirror 2 (focusing on Boro's IC comments but ignoring others)
Rikae --> McCaber (for the Cop bandwaggon)
Greenie --> McCaber 2 (overeager Cop suspicion and misrepresenting what people said)
Inzil --> Pom (for telling people to watch those who vote Cop, after voting for Cop)
Ozban --> McCaber 3 (opportunistic vote and not contributing much)
Lottie --> Pom 2 (some suspicion of her, no suspicion of the others on the block)
Boro --> Coppermirror 3 (for their vote - this brought the votes to a tie again)
Volo --> Nerwen 3 (anti-the-others-bandwagon and little reasoning - this was bringing an old name back in, she hadn't had votes for quite some time)
sally --> Pom 3 (blatant bandwaggoning)
Shasta --> Pom 4 (puts her in the lead - wasn't labelled as a crosspost so was a choice)
Nog --> McCaber 4 (for voting early and hanging around - knew this was a vote that wouldn't affect the lynch)

Pom dies and is a wizard (yay!).


Yesterday:
I think 'suspicion-mongering' is harsh for Cop, who voted very early amidst a lot of banter.

I was interested to see in the early banter of yesterDay that within Mors' seemingly empty list there were a couple of items of note. He said Brinn is 'fairly low key so will watch' - does this mean that she is under the radar so we need not to forget about her or is there vague suspicion there? Pom was also there as 'always seems suspicious to me'. I have no knowledge of their previous games so if there is history there perhaps this makes sense, otherwise perhaps interesting given the lynch yesterDay.

Rikae and the wizards turning into gifted's thing ... attempt to start conversation?

Ozban posted a very useless 'suspicion' list. I mean, there were plenty of unhelpful recapping posts where all they showed were literally shortened version of what was said with no analysis so this at least was better, but it just went 'everyone is suspicious'. Non-committal. Does come out with own thoughts later.

Nerwen hinting that if Cop does a lot of re-capping posts she is more likely to be a wolf. Good laying of ground-work by a wolf to pick up on later, can see what Brinn meant.

Gil and Nerwen mini-fight probably not an issue. Gil always dies early precisely because of exactly what he did yesterDay. Nerwen overreacts to this kind of playing.

Rikae faintly defends Pom - saying a wizard would surely be less wishy-washy.

Greenie suspects Nerwen for such different reasons to Brinn, she seems to then end up with suspicion of Brinn too! Crazy suspicion triangles going on. Thought Cop could be a wizard with the Boro vote because there is no way a bandwagon would have built up - I agree with this.

Had found myself worrying about Volo. There seemed to be a lot of looking at what everyone else had done and not giving much away. Then suddenly he comes out with big bold statements which made me feel a lot better about him.

Quick thoughts on yesterDay coming up then will read toDay.

EDIT: Crossed with everyone since my last post.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Kath

Gil and Nerwen mini-fight probably not an issue. Gil always dies early precisely because of exactly what he did yesterDay. Nerwen overreacts to this kind of playing.

this kind of playing

I like this because it makes me feel like a raving lunatic, and everyone should read this.

Also, enough with the "Gil gave no reasoning" assumption. I did give reasoning, you just chose not to accept it or claim there is no reasoning for my reasoning.

*runs off wailing his arms with nothing on but his red shirt*

xed with: Sir Kath the not appearing in this film.

[Morsul the Dark]

So my using a hypothetical is getting me votes... Oh well. C'est La vie.

Will read the last couple pages more in depth just scanned them quick.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

The thing is, you can't lynch anyone without multiple people voting for the same person. What killed Pomzard yesterDay was, in effect, a bandwagon. We tend not to call it that because it worked out well for us, but that's essentially what it was. So yes, I think that in our great adversity to bandwagons, we tend to forget they can be pretty useful too.

This is true, but he didn't say, "I don't think McCaber and Pom are guilty, but I think Nerwen is." He specifically said, "McCaber and Pom are....up to three votes, so this is to counter that." The candidates presented to him were not to his satisfaction, so he offered another one. Nothing wrong there in theory, but given that he voiced his opinion so strongly and that the "less suspicious" candidate he tried to prevent lynching was a wizard....well, you can see where that's going.

It doesn't feel like he was lobbying for a guilty candidate. It feels like he was lobbying for a candidate he wanted.


x'd with Gil, Morsul, and Dun

[Inziladun]

After quick deliberation, Gil may be acting too careless for a Wizard. So...

++Ozban

and hope for the best.

[Morsul the Dark]

++ Ozban

His vote for me seems to be picking up on other people's suspicion(Which I don't really get but can accept) Seems a little forced and coming from a conclusion first evidence later mentality. Wife's using computer so won't be back before DL.
x'ed since Zil

[Volo]

Impressions (unfortunately based mostly on Day1 and a quick skim):
A Little Green, "Green" - been on rather friendly terms, playing careful, trying to avoid taking a negative stance - ok, that's my reactions due to her agreeing with a few of my thoughts. Feels like a bit too obvious a strategy for a Wizer, more like being careful not to make too many assumptions. I'd say Innocentish zone.
Bane Mantra, "Bane" - sharp eye on the situation, I'd be surprised if is a Wizer.
Boromir88, "Bore" - something doesn't fit, actually my impression is a bit like when we were Wolf partners ages ago.
Brinniel, "Brin" - Critical eye, I feel she'd more good if she were Innocent than damage as a Wizer, otherwise I can't say which way she'd go.
Coppermirror, "Cop" - I might bite the idea that Pom tried to avoid actually having Cop lynched, which would point to Cop being suspicious. At that point it would have been a safe move for Pom, since I don't regard her being once suspected before her vote.
Gil-Galad, "Gil" - When I last played with Gil, his playing style was rather varied based on his role, this game he certainly resembles his Wolf-self: the active caring contribution, being of what feels like a central player, also more desperation than otherwise. Sorry, but avoiding lynching based on strong hunches feels silly at the moment - and there was a series of comments where he was defended quite strongly: I did that in one post, Boro several times, also sally. I felt there was something odd with his feud with Nerwen - like two active players on the same side getting too agressive (I recall Wolves usually staying to the side in such situations - or clearly dissociation from each other). Actually, now that I write down my thoughts, I'm not so sure and will once again give us the benefit of doubt.
Inziladun, "Lad" - Flying over my radar, actually.
Kath, "Kat" - Innocent? The most likely Cobber to my eyes. Dunno.
Loslote, "Lot" - Submarining under my radar, actually.
McCaber, "Cab" - I've had my doubts, but atm doesn't ring alarm clocks.
Morsul the Dark, "Mors" - I don't recall playing with him, but he seems genuine and I would feel surprised if he were a Wizer.
Nerwen, "Nerve" - I've done quite a lot of rethinking about my attitude towards her yesterday, since it bugged me that I ended up voting her while not too sure about her guilt, the other candidates felt less suspicious. I admit, I have a hard time getting a read on her, but I feel like I've lost my case.
Nogrod, "Nog" - He seems to have written more general observations conserning the game than actual analysis of this particular game. Somehow that feels a bit off. But then again, he often implies that he's in a hurry, and I can certainly connect to that. Ah, I trust I've played enough with him to figure him in the end, but nothing more than a slight wariness at the moment.
Ozban, "Oz" - I'm somewhat surprised he got voted, since I've missed his guiltiness.
Rikae, "Rick" - I'm growingly more wary with Rikae. Her actions seem like Pom^2. She's been influencing without answering for the responcibility.
satansaloser2005, "Sal" - No idea. Carefree?
Shastanis Althreduin, "Shaz" - too little data.
Volo, "Vol" - I'll have loads more time on Day3 and Day4, so if you can forgive me for not keeping up, I'll try to earn my place.
Is G55 playing in this game?

xd w everything since 23:21

Huh! My internet connection was reset and I nearly had a heart attack with even this being deleted.