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the phantom · 08-19-2011, 10:03 AM

Nerwen & Pitch are tied at 3.

Yet to vote- Eruhen, Sally, Mith, and Phantom.

Finduilas · 08-19-2011, 10:40 AM

There seems to be a thought that Pitchwife, if he is the KD, deserved modfiring. He has not said anything to deserve modfiring, I believe, he has merely pointed out one Forge after another. This, I think, may be a bit foolhardy as a KD, but it isn't cheating. He never said anything like "I know for certain that these people are Forges" "Trust me, I have inside information" or anything of that sort. He always, when he gave reasons for his vote, used their comments on the thread. So, he isn't necessarily the KD (though I think he is, as I don't think that he is a forge member), but even if he is, I don't think he cheated. So, we can't take the fact that he hasn't been Modfired as proof that he isn't the KD.

the phantom · 08-19-2011, 10:59 AM

Findu- really, don't talk about that, and especially not so directly! If you think you have spotted the KD why say it? That is what begs modfire more than anything.

If I write in a code where every 27th letter of my posts spells out- "I am KD, please lynch person X" have I revealed? No, not if no one sees it.

If I do the same but two Ordos see it and follow it, have I revealed? No, not if they don't say anything to alert the rest of the village and Mod.

If I do the same but two Ordos talk too much about it and soon my role is an accepted fact, have I revealed? Darn right, I have.

However wrong it sounds logically, revealing is as much a function of reaction by the reader as it is action by the revealer.

Eruhen · 08-19-2011, 10:42 AM

Still not at home yet, but at least I have internet access. I don't have time to post my thoughts now, but if I get home with enough time before DL, I plan on it.

For now, though...

++Nerwen

Mithalwen · 08-19-2011, 10:59 AM

Eh? I am clearly missing something.... off too look.... is this a fishing expedition or are you serious? I always have a background level of suspicion of Nerwen because she is so clever but frankly there are at least six people I find more suspicious and four of them have voted for her so far.....

the phantom · 08-19-2011, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boro

but don't let phantom convince you I will make some miraculous return to save and prove some genius plan of his. I won't and if he tries that one again, he should probably be lynched.

*snicker*

It is I, Phantom, your secret village Seer! Folwren decided to have a Seer in this game but not tell anyone. And on Night 1 I discovered Boro was in fact a trusty WerePenguin!

If only he were here to prove me correct...

the phantom · 08-19-2011, 11:09 AM

Anyway, could Mith & Sally please go ahead and vote for Nerwen, and could Boro and McCaber if they're around change their votes.

Because frankly I'd rather that my vote not be needed so that I can cast another joke-vote on Pitch.

Mithalwen · 08-19-2011, 11:18 AM

No Mith wouldn't because even if she did find Nerwen the most suspicious she doesn't find joke votes amusing.

Finduilas · 08-19-2011, 11:23 AM

Phantom, I understand your point (about not talking about it so directly), and in a sense I apologize... but not really. I think all the comments about modfiring need to be addressed. No one in this game has gotten anywhere close to a reveal, true or false (except you, you sneaky seer), so I was just saying that no one has cheated...

the phantom · 08-19-2011, 11:24 AM

Reasons to find Nerwen suspicious-

Nerwen, Bom, and Gal55 all used similar pack terminology right from the start. You know how that sort of thing works- if you discuss things with people certain ways of phrasing get stuck in your head.

Her attack on the trusty McCaber was unfair, as referenced here.

And then there was her Day 1 reaction to my plan, reacted to here by Pitch (in the quote) and me.

08-19-2011, 10:03 AM	#1
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Nerwen & Pitch are tied at 3. Yet to vote- Eruhen, Sally, Mith, and Phantom. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-19-2011, 10:40 AM	#2
Finduilas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Home. Where rolling green hills and clear rivers are practically my backyard. Posts: 595	There seems to be a thought that Pitchwife, if he is the KD, deserved modfiring. He has not said anything to deserve modfiring, I believe, he has merely pointed out one Forge after another. This, I think, may be a bit foolhardy as a KD, but it isn't cheating. He never said anything like "I know for certain that these people are Forges" "Trust me, I have inside information" or anything of that sort. He always, when he gave reasons for his vote, used their comments on the thread. So, he isn't necessarily the KD (though I think he is, as I don't think that he is a forge member), but even if he is, I don't think he cheated. So, we can't take the fact that he hasn't been Modfired as proof that he isn't the KD. __________________ One (1) book of rules and traffic regulations, which may not be bent or broken. ~ The Phantom Tollbooth

08-19-2011, 10:59 AM	#3
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Findu- really, don't talk about that, and especially not so directly! If you think you have spotted the KD why say it? That is what begs modfire more than anything. If I write in a code where every 27th letter of my posts spells out- "I am KD, please lynch person X" have I revealed? No, not if no one sees it. If I do the same but two Ordos see it and follow it, have I revealed? No, not if they don't say anything to alert the rest of the village and Mod. If I do the same but two Ordos talk too much about it and soon my role is an accepted fact, have I revealed? Darn right, I have. However wrong it sounds logically, revealing is as much a function of reaction by the reader as it is action by the revealer. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-19-2011, 10:42 AM	#4
Eruhen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: At the Mountains of Madness Posts: 399	Still not at home yet, but at least I have internet access. I don't have time to post my thoughts now, but if I get home with enough time before DL, I plan on it. For now, though... ++Nerwen __________________ Agannâlô burôda nênud; zâira nênud. Adûn izindi batân tâidô ayadda: îdô kâtha batîna lôkhî. Êphalak îdôn Yôzâyan. Êphal êphalak îdôn hi-Akallabêth.

08-19-2011, 10:59 AM	#5
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Eh? I am clearly missing something.... off too look.... is this a fishing expedition or are you serious? I always have a background level of suspicion of Nerwen because she is so clever but frankly there are at least six people I find more suspicious and four of them have voted for her so far..... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-19-2011, 11:09 AM	#7
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Anyway, could Mith & Sally please go ahead and vote for Nerwen, and could Boro and McCaber if they're around change their votes. Because frankly I'd rather that my vote not be needed so that I can cast another joke-vote on Pitch. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

08-19-2011, 11:18 AM	#8
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	No Mith wouldn't because even if she did find Nerwen the most suspicious she doesn't find joke votes amusing. __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-19-2011, 11:23 AM	#9
Finduilas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Home. Where rolling green hills and clear rivers are practically my backyard. Posts: 595	Phantom, I understand your point (about not talking about it so directly), and in a sense I apologize... but not really. I think all the comments about modfiring need to be addressed. No one in this game has gotten anywhere close to a reveal, true or false (except you, you sneaky seer), so I was just saying that no one has cheated... __________________ One (1) book of rules and traffic regulations, which may not be bent or broken. ~ The Phantom Tollbooth

08-19-2011, 11:24 AM	#10
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Reasons to find Nerwen suspicious- Nerwen, Bom, and Gal55 all used similar pack terminology right from the start. You know how that sort of thing works- if you discuss things with people certain ways of phrasing get stuck in your head. Her attack on the trusty McCaber was unfair, as referenced here. And then there was her Day 1 reaction to my plan, reacted to here by Pitch (in the quote) and me. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

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