Game Thread: WW LXXXVI - The Halls of Mandos

[Mithalwen]

Well Idont' do plans for myself but I just felt it was a more elegant solution. So whose psyche shall we analyse wildly? There are some dark places there to rival Moria...

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

On the whole if I had to bet now I'd go for a triumvirate of Glirdan, Sally and Loslote, so I'd better check if there are any actual relationships between them...

Just popping in - I'll be back more in a few hours - but I wanted to comment on that. That suggestion of who the 'pack' is is wrong in so many ways. Not just because I can personally say that one out of three is, in fact, innocent. That's not helpful, I'm aware of this. But another one - Glirdy - has a definite wolf persona. When he's a wolf, you can tell. He's not a wolf. I won't say whether or not he's a cobbler, but I think there are more obvious cobbler suggestions. So, in my mind, that's two out of three that are most defintely not wolves. Sally doesn't strike me as anything other than her normal, cupcakey self. Aaaand there's (likely) three of his 'pack' that seem like nothing even close to wolves to me.

On the whole, I'm thinking Ang might be one of our cobblers. His long, long talk about double edged innocence basically served to turn that post into a giant theoretical talk while still sounding pretty and easy enough to read. It basically boils down to "innocents act innocent" - which, while true, does not require nearly that many words to say.

His responce to Sally was more innocent, admittedly. That's really the only thing keeping me from labelling him a cobbler.

[Anguirel]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Glirdy - has a definite wolf persona. When he's a wolf, you can tell. He's not a wolf. I won't say whether or not he's a cobbler, but I think there are more obvious cobbler suggestions.

Hardly going to take that on trust from you right now, am I? Have a care, Loslote; you're creating exactly the form of alliance that was the glue missing from my case. Give some solid examples, if you like, of what you mean by this. I note only right now that Glirdan is playing well, helpful, articulate and vigilant, and that makes me want to be very cautious. I have much solider feelings about you.

And - "sally is her usual cupcakey self"? Come, what colourless piffle. I gather that sally is for some reason known as a cupcake, but I really don't see how that has a bearing on her guilt or innocence.

[Anguirel]

Sigh. We are going to have to face up to the phantom question eventually. You've broadly agreed with him since that one major bout, Mith. I trust you and pathologically can't trust him.

What, however, do you think of my more substantive actual suspicions?

I'm going to go away and do some Academic Work I'm afraid (Tuesday is a heavy day for me in theory yet I've done nothing so far). I'm sure I'll return to find much debate of interest.

Yeah, I can see what's going for this Morse code esque system, elron. And I'm not really qualified to examine its defences. It's just really not the way I roll. In the best case scenario, we still have a Seer and Glorfindel; we certainly have at least one; and I suppose my predisposition is in these less rational forces rather than a System to end all Systems

[Anguirel]

"long, long" talk, Loslote? Two of my nine paragraphs, and I thought it an important point to defend not only my own position but also my view of Mith and wilwa. I regard the most important part of that little autobiography, though, as being the bit that touches on you...

[Mithalwen]

I don't know I ever trust the phantom but I have known him be that bossy when being the architect of a village victory however I am not going to gun for him yet because as has been remarked this place is quiet enough already. He'll keep with the caveat that I am a bit wary of his border collie act re voting.

[Glirdan]

First off:

Originally Posted by Angu

Glirdan's defence of wilwa is strong, well expressed and convincing - even if arguably only a wolf has the knowledge to be so persuasive.

Did you miss the part where I said it was all meta-reasoning?? Trying to twist my words into something its not?

I see that there is a general consensus on how we would like the dead to give the vote and I'm in agreement with Boro that we should also state who we would like them to check. I also have to agree with Boro that Glorfy should remain hidden. I think Glorfy would help us more by staying hidden cuz at least this way xe could find other non-wolves.

At first when I read Angu's, as elron so put it, "tome", I felt uneasy. After re-reading, I still feel that way. It seems like he's just finding the smallest excuse to bring suspicion to everyone else and it just seems liks an all too easy way for a Wolf to throw suspcion off of himself.

Xed with some Miths, Angus and a Lottie

[Anguirel]

Annoyingly the crucial and abundant work I have to do about Renaissance Ireland is actually quite interesting as well. However, this thing is at a pretty exciting stage and keeps distracting me from it. And vice versa. Will probably mishandle both...

Originally Posted by Glirdan

I think Glorfy would help us more by staying hidden cuz at least this way xe could find other non-wolves.

Undecided on this one, but we are so short on solid information that I really can't help wanting Glorfindel the Beloved to break some tension...

I feel really bad about elron's last post actually. There's a sort of mad collective conformity in this village, er, camp, which she endorses, straight down the line, numerous times -

- "not sure" on people she's been prominent in helping kill
- in favour of the technocratic elite with their elaborate plan that involves evil counting
- the phantom could be a wolf ,but for some reason we shouldn't possibly interrogate him yet
- the lovers are innocent (well, yeahhh...)
- Loslote is a scatty innocent

It's just...unconfrontational and platitudinous. There are wolves in this camp. Elron, who do you suspect? At the moment the closest thing you have to a suspect appears, in my view risibly, to be Mith...

[Mithalwen]

Which would make sense if Ang had been under much suspicion, which I can't say I have noticed. Only Loslote after he said he suspecter her and now you in the same circumstances.

Ang and I are are of the old and nearly extinct breed of instinctive, intuitive players. It seems now that analysis and theorising or "in crowd" refs are more tolerated. I don't know for sure if Ang is a wolf, or cobbler or whatever but expecting a cross referenced list or something from him would be like getting Shadowfax to pull a cart.

Need to pop out briefly then I will return.....

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Glirdan

Xed with some Miths, Angus and a Lottie

Don't call him Angus please... I'll go all ISIHAC and feel I should tell him "You'll have had your tea!" And then only answer to Mrs Trellis..

[Anguirel]

arrrrrrrghanother thing I want to note before go off on my several-hours-delayed hike to the library is that Loslote and Glirdan, though each, as Mith helpfully points out, do insta-react defensively to me, do so in very different ways, ways that reinforce my strong suspicion of Loslote and weaken my worry about Glirdan. In that, Glirdan thinks I'm a wolf and Loslote thinks I'm a cobbler.

A wolf is much more likely to make cobbler accusations (I think we've gone over this before), because they know the person they accuse is not a wolf. It enables them to harness some of that ring of truth that belongs authentically to an innocent. It's also much more lordly, reasonable, chilled out. Less frightened. Whereas the innocent straight out accuses someone of being a wolf because they think it might well be so.

INNOCENT: (to INNOCENT 2 and WOLF): You two are guilty.

INNOCENT 2: Take that back now, wolf!

WOLF: (flicking ash off end of cigarette holder) Whatever, cobbler.

I am inclined now to suspect Elron more than Glirdan and Loslote more than Sauron.

[the phantom]

Phew! Made it home through the snow!

I'm now going to stay put for the rest of the day, so I should be on quite a bit.

First lunch- then posting.

[A Little Green]

Back at long last and catching up. I'm so tired I could spend hours just staring at the wall, I'm quite sure this isn't normal. Just don't expect me to be at my sharpest toDay.

[Glirdan]

Okay, I don't have as much time left as I would like, and with Angu's "tome" post and with his flip-flop of suspecting me, I am very leery and would like a closer look at him, because if I remember correctly, he did the same thing on Day 1 as well. However, I do vaguely remember him being like this when he was innocent in games from the olden days (aka, about five years ago ). Still, it's just not sitting well with me. I'll be back.

EDIT: Xed with Lottie

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Anguirel

A wolf is much more likely to make cobbler accusations (I think we've gone over this before), because they know the person they accuse is not a wolf. It enables them to harness some of that ring of truth that belongs authentically to an innocent. It's also much more lordly, reasonable, chilled out. Less frightened. Whereas the innocent straight out accuses someone of being a wolf because they think it might well be so.

But I do think you're a cobbler. You're attracting too much attention for me to call you a wolf. Under normal circumstances, yeah, I'd point fingers and call wolf, but in this game, there are just as many cobblers as wolves. It's just as likely that you would be one as it is likely that you would be the other. Since you look more like a cobbler than you look like a wolf, I'm going to call you a cobbler.

INNOCENT: (to INNOCENT 2 and WOLF): You two are guilty.

INNOCENT 2: Take that back now, wolf!

WOLF: (flicking ash off end of cigarette holder) Whatever, cobbler.

I also wanted to mention that this amused me greatly. ^.^