WW LXXXII: Return to Tol-in-Gaurhoth

[A Little Green]

I'm back! We'll see if I can keep myself awake until DL..

Originally Posted by Shasta

Not really liking Greenie at the moment - mostly for saying Lottie 'feels genuine' when I already pointed out her reasons for suspecting me are bunk.

"Having a genuine-feeling tone" and "making sense" are not the same thing, not even close! Yes, Lottie's reasons for suspecting you weren't strong, but the tone in which she stated them struck me as more innocent than not.

Originally Posted by Shasticle

I don't like Lottie's contrived reasons to vote for me, but she more often contrives reasons to vote when she's innocent, so I'll leave her alone today. Pitch sticks out as more suspicious to me today - agreeable, doesn't touch on more than the obvious topic of the cobbler, etc.

Erm? You leave Lottie alone for toDay because what you suspect her for is largely what she always does - and go on to vote Pitch for being agreeable? I mean, what?


EDIT: x-ed with Glirdan

[Nogrod]

Logged in and reading: only one page but those posts are longish...

[A Little Green]

Just to remind myself of who we have in the village and how many people are snugly dozing off under my reindeer..
Boro - Eurgh. Confuses me way too much right now.
Eönwë - Haven't seen.
Glirdan - No opinion yet.
Inzil - Likewise.
Legate - Seems somehow even more wishy-washy than usual - but then again, he also seems more wishy-washy than last game when he was a wolf, so I'm not sure if that's necessarily a sign of being a Leggywolf. Cobbler?
Lottie - Another eurgh. Right now I'd guess innocent, but then again I wouldn't be surprised if she turned out to be wolves with Shasta.
Nerwen - Can't read her yet.
Nogrod - Hasn't infuriated me yet. Seriously though, some good points have been raised against him and since I don't really have a read on him I'd love a closer look.
Ozban - Looks sharp, which I like. That isn't to say anything about "innocent" or "wolf", though.
Pitch - Not worried about him right now. (And he's safe from my vote toDay anyway, if only for that Hegel remark. )
Shasta - Don't trust him at the moment. I'd love to hear from him before having to vote, but since he has already voted I doubt he'll return. I feel worse about him than about anyone else in the village, but then again I'm doubtful whether - just in principle - it is possible to catch a psychic Shastawolf on Day 1... In short, my head is exploding with scenarios and I'm sure it's unhealthy.
skip - Nothing alarming this far.
wilwa - Likewise.


EDIT: x-ed with Zil

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Zil

Hmm. That would seem to speak against those two being wolves together, at least.

Wow, I had forgotten Lottie actually voted for him. Well, that does make them being fellows a bit more improbable. Potentially sacrificing a fellow on Day 1 just like that would seem really stupid - the gain is not worth the risk. Especially seeing as Shasta wasn't really suspected at all until Lottie brought it up.. Everything's possible, for sure, but some scenarios are highly improbable compared to others.


EDIT: x-ed with Noggins

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

skip - Nothing alarming this far.
wilwa - Likewise.

Shouldn't this in itself be alarming?

I mean it goes to everyone anyone of you feel right now, "hmm, nothing alarming there", or "kind of nice, hard to form an opinion", "s/he's been there but not much to say" etc.

Boro was and is right when remarking that the personalities of different individual players determine a lot on whether the player is "Mr. Agreeable" or "Miss Confrontation". But I'd still claim that on most cases - and with most players - they tend to try and be a bit more nice when wolves. Pitch asked whether I was lecturing you guys about general WW-principles back there. Well maybe I was... so many people seem to forget that basic truth about werewolf-behaviour so often, even if they'd theoretically understand the concept.

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Noggins

Shouldn't this in itself be alarming?

I mean it goes to everyone anyone of you feel right now, "hmm, nothing alarming there", or "kind of nice, hard to form an opinion", "s/he's been there but not much to say" etc.

Boro was and is right when remarking that the personalities of different individual players determine a lot on whether the player is "Mr. Agreeable" or "Miss Confrontation". But I'd still claim that on most cases - and with most players - they tend to try and be a bit more nice when wolves. Pitch asked whether I was lecturing you guys about general WW-principles back there. Well maybe I was... so many people seem to forget that basic truth about werewolf-behaviour so often, even if they'd theoretically understand the concept.

I'm not sure if I get your point, but if I do I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. I know that aggressive/contradictory doesn't equal wolf, or agreeable/making sense innocent. I seem to remember lecturing, in previous games, about how people vote for those who play in a different style or are aggressive, and leave the nice and slippery alone. When I say I'm not alarmed by someone, I mean that the person doesn't strike me as suspicious ("suspicious" as in "likely wolf", not "suspicious" as in "strange, contradictory, or aggressive"). Not sure if I made myself very clear, nor sure I responded to the right thing in the first place, but I hope I helped.


EDIT: x-ed with Legz

[Nogrod]

Okay. A hastily gathered "impressions-list" for now.

Most probably will not vote toDay(unless something drastic happens)

Ozban - newbie-pass, with quite a nice performance thus far
Glirdan - is kind of hypernervous when a wolf and doesn't look like that right now
Loslote -tends to get lynched early on most of the time; she seems to act suspiciously "by nature".

Eönwë - only came in, no idea as now, subject to change when he posts.

I'd lean not voting toDay at least on the possible suspicions I could have right now.

Legate of Amon Lanc - someone said he was wishy-washy (or something), I'd say he's explaining everyhing too much - and doing Legate 360's...
Boromir88 - acts a bit weird but maybe it's just this "new Boromir" we've seen in a few last games?

Total quetionmarks but would love to see more... (they have said things anyway)

Nerwen
A Little Green

Somewhat weary of or could vote...

Pitchwife - I'm a bit worried about his defencive-thoroughness, like there was a case to proof against Shasta's odd (bordering ridiculous) suspicions.
Shastanis Althreduin - makes me uneasy with his odd suspicions on Pitchie and all that jazz with Lottie (of the two I find Shasta more suspicious).

A bit anxious about these: they have been around, have posted but I still can't form an opinion on them... maybe because they haven't said anything? Prove me wrong!
skip spence
wilwarin538
Inziladun

I'd rather vote one of the last five toDay.

EDIT: X'd from my last post onwards

[skip spence]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Prove me wrong!

Don't really see how that's possible at this point.

[skip spence]

So who are you guys leaning at, Nogrod, Pitch and Ozzy?

[wilwarin538]

I'm here, I'm here! I'll skim through and try to make a mostly logical choice.

15 minutes than, right?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by skip spence

Don't really see how that's possible at this point.

It was more of a metaphor trying to say that "convince us" you're making an effort...

EDIT: X'd with skip... heh...

[Ozban]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I mean it goes to everyone anyone of you feel right now, "hmm, nothing alarming there", or "kind of nice, hard to form an opinion", "s/he's been there but not much to say" etc.

Fair thought, There are quite a few "submarinish" guys out there. That's surely worth considering. Don't they have time? Or they just stay low purposefully?

Oh screw it! this is too much for my mind to analyze.

[Nogrod]

This should be right...

Lottie -> Shasta
Shasta -> Pitch
Legate -> Lottie
Inzil -> Shasta 2
Glirdy -> Shasta 3

[Nogrod]

Of those who have gathered votes thus far I think Lottie more probably innocent and Shasta looking the most suspicious. Of my five candidates for voting I'd probably wish to see wilwa and Pitch toMorrow with better time to discuss with them.

With Skip I'm not sure if that was a joke or is he deliberately doing something there - which would be a bit to drastic for a wolf... heh, reading the general feeling wishing to lynch Ozban? Really Skip?

[skip spence]

Oh sorry Nogrod it was just sloppy phrasing/grammar...

Was just curious how you guys would vote.

"Nog, Pitch and Ozzy, who are you leaning towards voting for"

...would have been more comprehensible

[Nogrod]

Okay. I hate bandwagons but Shasta is topping my suspicions. And it seems the result is already clear. So carrying my load of the burden.

++ Shasta


Ozzy? Have I lost something here? Who is Ozzy if not Ozban?

[Ozban]

It may be stupid, or completely out of the league, but...

+ + Legate

To clarify, which I feel I should, at least rudimentary:
I can't be sure of anybody. Eventhough Shasta and Lottie seem strange, mostly that Shasta's opinions of Pitch which seem to strangely fluctuate, (ad. Glirdan's post above).
Legate attacks, but always leaves himself some "escape path", he's too eager to back down. He does seem to try not to offend anyone. Eventhough it's not what I mean exactly, He's way too agreeable (or alibistic, your choice).

Anyway, my sixth sense tells me to vote for him.

I hurry to pub now. But will be back soon.

Later...

[Glirdan]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Wow, I had forgotten Lottie actually voted for him. Well, that does make them being fellows a bit more improbable. Potentially sacrificing a fellow on Day 1 just like that would seem really stupid - the gain is not worth the risk. Especially seeing as Shasta wasn't really suspected at all until Lottie brought it up.. Everything's possible, for sure, but some scenarios are highly improbable compared to others.

As stupid as it would be (and I totally agree that the scenario I'm about to throw out there is highly unlikely at this stage in the game, but not unheard of), it is possible that they are doing just that.

A Lottiewolf and Shastawolf would be bold enough to throw one or the other under the bus on Day 1 if it actually came down to saving their own skin. I've been a victim of that before myself.

However, as I said, the possibility and likelihood of that being the actual case is rather slim.

I am still inclined, however, to believe that at least one of the two is a Wolf.

At this point, I am more inclined to believe it to be Shasta.

When Lottie started accusing him, he became rather defensive, but it did not seem like an innocent trying to save himself.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Lottie - That's silly. I clarified a rule for Wilwa. What about that should be worrying? I'll give you a hint - the answer's 'nothing'. And as for being 'nonconfrontational' - I was the first to evidence actual suspicion of a specific person (Pitch, to be precise), so I don't really know where you're getting 'nonconfrontational' from.

It seems a little too aggressive to be an innocent trying to save himself.

Here are the next three post exchanges between him and Lottie:

Originally Posted by Lottie

Like I said, it's early in Day 1, and I'm probably wrong anyway. Total gut feeling, and I was trying to describe why...I'm hardly saying you're without question evil, just that you're my top (and only, really) suspect. As for your response, it sounds like the Wolf!Shastas I've seen before - really aggressive. As for the suspicion, you included a with it, so I didn't really pay much attention to that.

Repeat: Not solid proof that you're evil. Not even close. Complete gut feeling - but I don't trust you.

Originally Posted by Shasta

Fair enough, but you don't get to call me 'nonconfrontational' in one breath and then 'aggressive' in the next. It doesn't work like that.

In any case, I'm least okay with Pitch at the moment and most okay with Nerwen (mostly for her views on the cobbler). I'm going to try and sleep now - although I don't hold out too much hope considering the dark dankness of this cell.

Originally Posted by Lottie

Aggressively nonconfrontational? You don't think so?

Actually, I meant to call your response post aggressive, and the posts before that nonconfrontational. Sort of careful, then switch to defensively aggressive, that sort of thing...

Lottie also brings up the fact that he is being aggressive in his response.

Also, his accusation of Pitch at first is very playful banter.

Originally Posted by Shasta

In other news, I'm finding something slightly off about Pitch. He's only made one post thus far, but as I read it there were points at which I felt he was being awfully... well, the pun is inevitable... agreeable.

Later, when he mentions his suspicions of Pitch again, he says:

Originally Posted by Shasta

In any case, I'm least okay with Pitch at the moment and most okay with Nerwen (mostly for her views on the cobbler). I'm going to try and sleep now - although I don't hold out too much hope considering the dark dankness of this cell.

There is no actual reasoning behind it and is okay with Nerwen (hmmmm....perhaps we've been barking up the wrong tree on who his fellow co-hort could be?)

He's gone (due to sleeping) for a few hours and when he comes back, all he has is this:

Originally Posted by Shasta

Not really liking Greenie at the moment - mostly for saying Lottie 'feels genuine' when I already pointed out her reasons for suspecting me are bunk.

Note - I'm fairly sure I'm going to have to vote in about three hours, and I won't be here for much of that time.

Nothing mentioning Pitch whatsoever.

Disappears again (although gave us the note saying he would be gone for most of it) and when he comes back he FINALLY gives some reasoning of suspecting Pitch.

Originally Posted by Shata

Here you are, Pitch. Bolding mine. I've noticed several other points ("Thanks for the advice" sticks out most noticably) as I've read the Day, as well.

I have to vote in a few minutes. I'd prefer not to turn this into Shasta vs. Lottie, but I will if I have to.

All of that was Pitch's first post of the Day, most of which seems like IC banter. Seems to me like a Shastawolf trying to latch onto an easy prey.

And then his vote:

Originally Posted by Shasta

++Pitch

I don't like Lottie's contrived reasons to vote for me, but she more often contrives reasons to vote when she's innocent, so I'll leave her alone today. Pitch sticks out as more suspicious to me today - agreeable, doesn't touch on more than the obvious topic of the cobbler, etc.

Choose well, village.

He is voting based purely off Pitch's first post without taking the time to actually go through the other posts and seeing what else Pitch had posted.

So, without further ado, I know who I am voting for:

++Shasta


I will be around till the end of Day.

EDIT X'ed with everyone since end of Page 2

[Thinlómien]

Stop posting.

Shasta has been lynched. Narration will be up in half an hour or so...