WW LXXXII: Return to Tol-in-Gaurhoth

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Not really liking Greenie at the moment - mostly for saying Lottie 'feels genuine' when I already pointed out her reasons for suspecting me are bunk.

Since this is, in fact, Day 1, there are extremely few circumstances when I could have any reason that wasn't 'bunk'. Besides, I fail to see how my 'bunk'ish reasons affect my 'feeling genuine' at all. They're unrelated - I could have the best reasons in the world, but that doesn't mean I'd 'feel genuine'.

Anyway, I have to vote and run. I might be on in three hours or so, but don't count on it.

++ Shasta

Have a good Day...

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Not to mention the fact that Boro's plan is totally over-complicated. He should stick to gatekeeping.

So I've been told before, but I question if I can even do that with how the wolves have managed to enter this cursed city.

But totally was not thinking about the organizational complications with that, I was more or less thinking...umm why can't we do both at the same time? *shrug*

Originally Posted by Inziladun

Like I said, the best bet is to look for evil-looking things in general, instead of trying to seperate them into "Cobbler things" and "wolf things". Wolves can look like Cobblers, and vice-versa.

Hmm well cobblers tend to be intentionally confusing and all over the place to wreak havoc. And even if you choose not to listen to someone obviously stirring a pot of confusion, you're still faced with a conundrum of what do you do with someone who counts in the innocent tally but can mess the votes up later on. Where wolves at least try to make more reasonable and fair posts to try and sway the lynch in their favors.

But point taken, either through pure cobbler confusion or lying through wolf fangs yet still looking fair and reasonable, both are suspicious behaviors and that's what I will look for. No point to try to separate them.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

++Pitch

I don't like Lottie's contrived reasons to vote for me, but she more often contrives reasons to vote when she's innocent, so I'll leave her alone today. Pitch sticks out as more suspicious to me today - agreeable, doesn't touch on more than the obvious topic of the cobbler, etc.

Choose well, village.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

What a pity this conversation seems to be taking shape and people are posting really a lot only when I don't have that much time to be around anymore... and probably won't until the DL... but I will vote still.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I side with Nerwen and Shasta on this, if we see someone acting cobblerish lynch them. What kind of logic is, "wait until the end of the game when the cobbler could be the most dangerous until we do something about it?" Strike while the iron is hot, get him gone when we get the chance and where there is little damage! It is a nice perk to have the seer being able to ID the cobbler in dreams, but come now to suggest that the seer would do something as rash as jumping at any fake reveal to oust the cobbler while their are still 3 wolves abroad is kind pointless.

If I understand it correctly, I don't get this at all - are you saying we should focus on the Cobbler? See above, please: if we lynch all the Wolves, we don't need to worry about any Cobblers anymore. So I don't see what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Ozban

You know it would be a shame, ignoring threat of cobbler completely. On the other hand, from what i got, Cobbler tends to fall into pit by himself, we are just the pendulum. I wouldn't really assign any high priority to finding him. Just get rid of him eventually when he is revealed.

Aye, the false-reveal scenarios are dangerous, but is such a theory really worth such a witch-hunt? We are starting from the scratch. Without information of any sort we will probably witness several innocent die before we find a real cobbler.

Well, it is more like this - even if we were looking for a cobbler, we won't find him, or we couldn't be sure whether he is Cobbler or Wolf, and the point is anyway, we should find the Wolves first (see above). If I understood Boro's words, then he suggests that perhaps if you have free time, you can start looking for the Cobbler. But I think the Cobbler will really either reveal him/herself through some crazy Cobblery action (heedless kamikaze-type just in order to help the WWs), or just stay behind the scenes - where, however, he/she does not have as much power until the latter days.

But anyway, this was just for the clarification of this particular point.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

It's more about timing than anything. And of course once you've masterfully pulled off a great fake-reveal you've got this horrible reputation of being completely untrustworthy that follows you around for a while. It's quite a burden, because it's like everyone expects you at some point to just do some crazy fake reveal again and give pay back to deceiving them previously. But it's truly just about timing and doing the exact thing which no one expects.

My advice then, if you don't want that reputation of being absolutely untrustworthy, don't go for a successful fake reveal. Although, you're already "Mr. Agreeable" 'round these parts, and don't know if that's a rep you'll be able to shed...unless you pull off a great fake reveal.

Okay, given that I am not 100% concentrating, I am not entirely sure what is this sort of dialogue with Pitch supposed to be, it just seems weird, or the point gets past me. Nonetheless, let me just say, as for horrible reputation, I think most people won't mind getting a bad reputation for a while if they happen to make a great bluff which will get them to win the game... as that's the goal, after all.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Legate - I'm not exactly comfortable with Nog myself, but I'm not exactly comfortable with you either, the way you now say ignore the cobbler, now don't, speak perfect sense at times but mostly weave those long convoluted word clouds which seem to drift any way the wind blows and are hard to get to the gist of... Another one to watch.

Only the Wolves don't ever change their opinions, Mr. Agreeable , because their "opinion" is fake, like everything they do. To see a flaw in one's thinking and to be willing to correct it is a way of the innocents, unless they are dumb bunch of people. Nonetheless, my basic stance has never changed in any radical way - it all stems from the basic understanding of what one means by "ignoring cobbler". I still think we should ignore the Cobbler. But basically simply because of what I said above (and what many have repeated so many times after me that I find it rather funny): we are not able to tell the Cobbler from a Wolf, usually. If there is someone suspicious, we just lynch him, and then we will know. Honestly, even when I consider my own experience, it is not common that we have so many suspects that we don't know whom to lynch first and start thinking which of them is the Cobbler and which one is Wolf.

Eurgh. I need to decide whom to vote, probably won't be posting anything long from now on... but I am reading...

EDIT: x.ed with Pitch and Boro. Boro, Ozban is a he And don't think you are going to confuse us with that, I am not going to discard the possibility of two of you being Wolves together, that's an old trick to pretend a gender-confusion while you know it already since last Night...

[skip spence]

Well then, I've read the thread and all this cobbler-talk obviously stands out. Some of it strikes me as silly, and some of it strikes me as right sinister, as it is strictly theoretical at this point without any cobbler suspects and is therefore a distraction from more important business, that is, deciding on a name. I fear that what we are hearing are the treacherous tongues of Sauron.

Some other impressions.

Green is being captain obvious.

Nerwen is the one most determined to stay in character whatever that means...

Boro chides people for posting too long then promptly posts a long, rather pointless and somewhat irrational post that in many ways repeats things already stated more than once.

I also agree with Legate that Nogrod's reasoning seems a bit dull toDay. Is the old master-hunter losing his touch, or is he no longer himself. Hard to say...

As it stands I might vote Shasta toDay for reasons I'd rather not disclose at this point... But I'll vote closer to the DL...

A question to Legate. What makes you single out Wilwa as especially reasonable?

[Inziladun]

Bah. I'm at work right now, and expecting an appointment in a few minutes ( @ Lommy), so I need to go ahead and vote.

I wanted to give Shasta the benefit of the doubt and entertain some other possibilities, but no one else really looks as potentially bad at the moment.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

In any case, I'm least okay with Pitch at the moment and most okay with Nerwen (mostly for her views on the cobbler). I'm going to try and sleep now - although I don't hold out too much hope considering the dark dankness of this cell.

He's "okay" with Pitch there, despite the earlier suspicion of him.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Not really liking Greenie at the moment - mostly for saying Lottie 'feels genuine' when I already pointed out her reasons for suspecting me are bunk.

Now suspicious of Greenie.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

++Pitch

I don't like Lottie's contrived reasons to vote for me, but she more often contrives reasons to vote when she's innocent, so I'll leave her alone today. Pitch sticks out as more suspicious to me today - agreeable, doesn't touch on more than the obvious topic of the cobbler, etc.

Votes Pitch. Because he wasn't talking of the Cobbler?

Well, then:

++Shasta

Not a lock by any means, but no one else jumps out as much.

x/d with all since # 77

[Pitchwife]

Originally Posted by Zil

He's "okay" with Pitch there, despite the earlier suspicion of him.

Read what you quote, please. Shasta said 'least okay', as in 'most not-okay', so whatever he's done, contradicting himself isn't among it. Mistake, or twisting words?
Not that I disagree so much with the vote itself...

[Pitchwife]

Actually, Zil's sketchy and bordering-on-skewed presentation of Shasta makes me have second thoughts now...

Still, Shasta looks most shady to me, and I think finding out his alignment will tell us something about several people (including Lottie, but not only her). So:

++Shasta

Á vala Manwë!

EDIT: x-ed from #85 down

[Pitchwife]

OK, Shasta , let's look at these points one by one:

Originally Posted by me

Indeed, I marvel at your audacity in suggesting such a thing, Master Nogrod. Holy Elbereth, there are ladies among us, and one of them a young maiden! Have you no decency?

This is called IC banter, a thing not uncommon in the early posts of Day 1. (And if you're about to quote my words about wolves loving to hide behind that back at me, please point out the wolvish content hidden in this quote.)

Originally Posted by me

Flattery will get you nowhere.

This is a semi-banter, semi-serious reply to something Legate said that made my eyebrows twitch briefly. Wolvishly agreeable? Don't think so.

Originally Posted by me

On the other hand

This is called dialectics. Thesis and antithesis, that kind of stuff. If it means I'm a wolf, then so was Hegel.

Originally Posted by me

and in the meantime I trust in the wisdom of our Seer to handle these matters without our prompting.

This may actually be the most 'agreeable' part of this post. Basically, it boils down to "It's OK for us to discuss all this, but the Gifteds can think for themselves and won't necessarily do what we tell them to". - This being my first post, I tried to be IC and use a somewhat lofty, Elvish style, which may have contributed to the impression of agreeability, I don't know.
"Thanks for the advice" - this is called irony.

Conclusion: I'm not yet convinced of my own wolvery. Not this time.

[Ozban]

My friends, what is happening to you? Yesterday's friends turning suspicious at the first sign of danger. Shall we abandon all we were because of that damned Wolf Lord reigning these dungeons? Stand up for what you are, hold on to what we were through. Hunting wolves, we put our lives on the line many times. We relied on each other, now you seem forgeting our bonds. If there are traitors among us, we will find them, whatever the cost. But let's not accuse others without any solid evidence. "Yet hope remains while the Company is true." as Lord Felagund would say. And furthermore, I can't stand the thought of Sauron's amusement when he sees us turning on each other.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

I'm not yet convinced of my own wolvery. Not this time.

I'm not convinced either. Neither that you are WW, neither that you aren't.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

Wolvishly agreeable? Don't think so.

And do you really think someone would cease to suspect you because you disagree with them? Wouldn't convince me at least.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

I like Oz's first post, curious to see more how she plays.

I'm terribly sorry to disappoint you Boro but I'm actualy male.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

And don't think you are going to confuse us with that, I am not going to discard the possibility of two of you being Wolves together, that's an old trick to pretend a gender-confusion while you know it already since last Night...

Aye Legate! You just uncovered our tactical masterpiece.

[Pitchwife]

My thoughts on everyone up to now:
INNOCENT
Pitch - the unfurriest furrier you've ever seen

FEELING OK WITH
Boro - need to go through his posts at more leisure some time, but so far he looks unalarmingly Boroish to me
Nerwen - young and impatient hunter speaks words of wisdom beyond her years, and is actively engaged.
Ozban - one post (OK, two by now) which looks quite good, and besides he gets a newbie pass toDay (although he already seems to feel remarkably at home around these parts)

NO READ
Eönwë - absent
Greenie - just one post, half good sense, half "everything's possible". No idea.
Glirdan - nothing in his posts that really stood out to me, either pro or con.
Inziladun - I've given up all illusion about being able to read him. Sparse posts with good reason in them, involved in the discussion and still detached somehow, the usual Zil whatever his role. No clue.
skip - er, what?
wilwa - almost made it into the OK category, but not quite. Speaks a lot of common sense, but has no suspicions - really? I mean, come on, there's been quite a bit of discussion and controversy toDay, nothing there stood out to you?

FEELING QUEASY ABOUT
Legate - his response to my #52, second paragraph, looks fair enough, but still, he feels too vague to me, it's hard to get a grip on him, like grappling with a mollusc; makes me feel like, argh!
Nogrod - see #48, the second quote and my comment there; also calling for open suspicions but not giving any himself yet (as far as I could see); something's off there.

THERE BE A WOLF HERE?
Lottie
Shasta
These two deserve a post of their own, and I'm already x-ing with skip and Oz, so this goes out first.

[A Little Green]

I'm back! We'll see if I can keep myself awake until DL..

Originally Posted by Shasta

Not really liking Greenie at the moment - mostly for saying Lottie 'feels genuine' when I already pointed out her reasons for suspecting me are bunk.

"Having a genuine-feeling tone" and "making sense" are not the same thing, not even close! Yes, Lottie's reasons for suspecting you weren't strong, but the tone in which she stated them struck me as more innocent than not.

Originally Posted by Shasticle

I don't like Lottie's contrived reasons to vote for me, but she more often contrives reasons to vote when she's innocent, so I'll leave her alone today. Pitch sticks out as more suspicious to me today - agreeable, doesn't touch on more than the obvious topic of the cobbler, etc.

Erm? You leave Lottie alone for toDay because what you suspect her for is largely what she always does - and go on to vote Pitch for being agreeable? I mean, what?


EDIT: x-ed with Glirdan

[Nogrod]

Logged in and reading: only one page but those posts are longish...

[A Little Green]

Just to remind myself of who we have in the village and how many people are snugly dozing off under my reindeer..
Boro - Eurgh. Confuses me way too much right now.
Eönwë - Haven't seen.
Glirdan - No opinion yet.
Inzil - Likewise.
Legate - Seems somehow even more wishy-washy than usual - but then again, he also seems more wishy-washy than last game when he was a wolf, so I'm not sure if that's necessarily a sign of being a Leggywolf. Cobbler?
Lottie - Another eurgh. Right now I'd guess innocent, but then again I wouldn't be surprised if she turned out to be wolves with Shasta.
Nerwen - Can't read her yet.
Nogrod - Hasn't infuriated me yet. Seriously though, some good points have been raised against him and since I don't really have a read on him I'd love a closer look.
Ozban - Looks sharp, which I like. That isn't to say anything about "innocent" or "wolf", though.
Pitch - Not worried about him right now. (And he's safe from my vote toDay anyway, if only for that Hegel remark. )
Shasta - Don't trust him at the moment. I'd love to hear from him before having to vote, but since he has already voted I doubt he'll return. I feel worse about him than about anyone else in the village, but then again I'm doubtful whether - just in principle - it is possible to catch a psychic Shastawolf on Day 1... In short, my head is exploding with scenarios and I'm sure it's unhealthy.
skip - Nothing alarming this far.
wilwa - Likewise.


EDIT: x-ed with Zil

[A Little Green]

Originally Posted by Zil

Hmm. That would seem to speak against those two being wolves together, at least.

Wow, I had forgotten Lottie actually voted for him. Well, that does make them being fellows a bit more improbable. Potentially sacrificing a fellow on Day 1 just like that would seem really stupid - the gain is not worth the risk. Especially seeing as Shasta wasn't really suspected at all until Lottie brought it up.. Everything's possible, for sure, but some scenarios are highly improbable compared to others.


EDIT: x-ed with Noggins

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by A Little Green

skip - Nothing alarming this far.
wilwa - Likewise.

Shouldn't this in itself be alarming?

I mean it goes to everyone anyone of you feel right now, "hmm, nothing alarming there", or "kind of nice, hard to form an opinion", "s/he's been there but not much to say" etc.

Boro was and is right when remarking that the personalities of different individual players determine a lot on whether the player is "Mr. Agreeable" or "Miss Confrontation". But I'd still claim that on most cases - and with most players - they tend to try and be a bit more nice when wolves. Pitch asked whether I was lecturing you guys about general WW-principles back there. Well maybe I was... so many people seem to forget that basic truth about werewolf-behaviour so often, even if they'd theoretically understand the concept.

[Boromir88]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

If I understand it correctly, I don't get this at all - are you saying we should focus on the Cobbler? See above, please: if we lynch all the Wolves, we don't need to worry about any Cobblers anymore. So I don't see what you are talking about.

No, no, saying I agreed with Nerwen and Shasta earlier that we shouldn't ignore the threat of the cobbler. I wasn't understanding the argument that "Well yeah, later on if the cobbler is alive he can be a real voting problem, so lets deal with it then." I was trying to say, why give the cobbler the chance to be a problem later? If someone is looking like the cobbler to me I'm going to vote for that person, believing they're the cobbler and thus someone we don't want to have around at any time.

Originally Posted by Legate

Okay, given that I am not 100% concentrating, I am not entirely sure what is this sort of dialogue with Pitch supposed to be, it just seems weird, or the point gets past me. Nonetheless, let me just say, as for horrible reputation, I think most people won't mind getting a bad reputation for a while if they happen to make a great bluff which will get them to win the game... as that's the goal, after all.

I saw a chance to get a response from Pitch to see if I could figure him out. I'm glad he obliged to give me one.

Originally Posted by Ozban

I'm terribly sorry to disappoint you Boro but I'm actualy male.

Sorry for the mistake, and to have to disappoint you that this is actually not disappointing.

[Inziladun]

Originally Posted by Loslote

Since this is, in fact, Day 1, there are extremely few circumstances when I could have any reason that wasn't 'bunk'. Besides, I fail to see how my 'bunk'ish reasons affect my 'feeling genuine' at all. They're unrelated - I could have the best reasons in the world, but that doesn't mean I'd 'feel genuine'.

Anyway, I have to vote and run. I might be on in three hours or so, but don't count on it.

++ Shasta

Hmm. That would seem to speak against those two being wolves together, at least.

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I don't like Lottie's contrived reasons to vote for me, but she more often contrives reasons to vote when she's innocent, so I'll leave her alone today.

As for Lottie, I seem to recall a recent circumstance where a 'contrived' Day 1 vote from her had evil intent and went horribly awry..

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

If I understand it correctly, I don't get this at all - are you saying we should focus on the Cobbler? See above, please: if we lynch all the Wolves, we don't need to worry about any Cobblers anymore. So I don't see what you are talking about.

I don't think that's what Boro meant. I took it as "If we see something that looks off, we shouldn't be fussed about whether the offender might be a wolf or merely the Cobbler", which is a sentiment I obviously agree with.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

I still think we should ignore the Cobbler. But basically simply because of what I said above (and what many have repeated so many times after me that I find it rather funny): we are not able to tell the Cobbler from a Wolf, usually. If there is someone suspicious, we just lynch him, and then we will know. Honestly, even when I consider my own experience, it is not common that we have so many suspects that we don't know whom to lynch first and start thinking which of them is the Cobbler and which one is Wolf.

Hmm. That didn't seem to be what you were saying before, but all right.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Boro, Ozban is a he And don't think you are going to confuse us with that, I am not going to discard the possibility of two of you being Wolves together, that's an old trick to pretend a gender-confusion while you know it already since last Night...

I didn't know which Ozban was either. Good to have that clarified.

Originally Posted by Pitchwife

FEELING OK WITH
Boro - need to go through his posts at more leisure some time, but so far he looks unalarmingly Boroish to me
Nerwen - young and impatient hunter speaks words of wisdom beyond her years, and is actively engaged.
Ozban - one post (OK, two by now) which looks quite good, and besides he gets a newbie pass toDay (although he already seems to feel remarkably at home around these parts)

I'd agree about Ozban. He's fallen into the pattern quite nicely, considering this is his first game here.

Right now, the obvious choices toDay would seem to be Shasta and Lottie. I can't see both being wolves together, and it seems a bit too easy to have a wolf there. I'm going to look at other options, then.

x/d with Glirdan, Greenie, Nog, and Boro

[Nogrod]

Okay. A few people seem to be saying that I'm getting old, rusty and dumb. That might be true. But I'd also want to say that I posted a few posts in the very beginning when there were not too many posts to interact with, and then once in the afternoon when I just had time to read what had happened and had like ten minutes in my hands. So not the conditions for flaring arguments and deep insight based on actual analysis of the posting...

Also I see some of you guys have read my discussions about the cobblers and hunters in quite an innovative way (which makes me suspect you for purposefully trying to paint something black which is actually white). But it may be I have not spelled out my thoughts in a definite and clear enough manner. Anyway, I suggest we discuss those things toMorrow if we are around to do that, for I wholeheartedly agree with those who say, that even if it was a good thing to have that cobbler-discussion et al, we now have some more important things to think about, there being an hour or so time left toDay.

EDIT: X'd with Greenie

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Really short remarks, as I really don't have time:

I need to take a look toMorrow at those people who mostly just hang around and second others' suspicions or such. I don't recall correctly who all these people were, but I think at least Pitch to a certain extent, maybe Greenie, maybe skip? Not really sure (take this list as random attempt to remember names, I may be writing some totally unrelated name, confusing somebody with somebody else). In any case, I think there is a rather large amount of people who sort of "drift by" like this and sort of jumping on what others said (it may be genuine, just that they had the same idea, or it may not).

Secondly, as for Lottie's vote for Shasta... now of course it might be "they think we are W-on-W, now let's show them they were wrong, and in the best case, they will cease suspecting as and not even lynch any of us toDay!" I mean, just look at it, people really are dropping suspicions after this... I don't know if I shouldn't, too. I would, personally, now prefer to lynch Lottie to shasta, because she was the one who made the vote, so if it was like I just outlined above, then I find her more likely guilty (or if just one of them is a WW, she is more likely to be a Wolf just trying to lynch innocent shasta now, since all of the innocents would have two options, so of course she'd want to make us lynch the other person. But then again, if she is innocent, what else should she do). Why I don't want to lynch her so much, however, is also that she was lynched on Day 1 last game too... but well, well. I will now just take a look at the list of players and see if there isn't any other possible pick...

Hmph. *looks at the post* "Short".

EDIT: x-ed with Greenie and onwards

[Pitchwife]

Lottie
So she's abandoned the cautious disclaimers and is going after Shasta in earnest - but since she said he was her only suspect, she could hardly do anything else. Her reasons are still not the best - I mean, Shasta had what, two or three very short posts when she began to suspect him; to spot a wolf on such a small basis would be a psychic masterpiece. Which actually makes me wonder whether Shasta was such an easy suspect at all - wouldn't a Lottiewolf have found more and better suspicion-fodder in the whole cobbler-discussion? Or was she just being lazy and picking an (at the time) almost-submarine?
Problem is, she does have that genuine-sounding tone, and I'd be loth to see her lynched if she's really an innocent going on gut-feeling... Argh.

Shasta
OK, I'll try not to be biased here. Standing by his suspicion of me is OK, I'll give him that (especially as he could have voted for Lottie instead). His reasons - well... to me it looks like he singled me out in the morning as an easy suspect and pretty much ignored everybody else, except when defending himself against Lottie (which includes his passing suspicion of Greenie for supporting Lottie). As for his collection of evidence, I'll leave the evaluation to you.
I don't think his defense against Lottie was overly aggressive, as she claimed. But there's this:

Originally Posted by Shasta

Fair enough, but you don't get to call me 'nonconfrontational' in one breath and then 'aggressive' in the next.

I think it should have been clear that Lottie was referring to his behaviour before and after she suspected him, and muddling that difference to make it look like the person suspecting you is contradicting herself is exactly the kind of defense I would use myself as a wolf (and have).

I'll have to think this over once more, and then vote soonish.

EDIT: x-ed from #71 onwards.

[Glirdan]

All of this continued talk about the Cobbler is starting to give poor ol' Glirdy a headache on top of this nasty cold that has seemed to take control

Okay, back to serious.

I'm thankful that Legate brought up all this Cobbler talk as it has kept people talking, as was his intention. Yet Pitch has stirred some interesting points here about our conversation starter.

Originally Posted by Pitch

Legate - I'm not exactly comfortable with Nog myself, but I'm not exactly comfortable with you either, the way you now say ignore the cobbler, now don't, speak perfect sense at times but mostly weave those long convoluted word clouds which seem to drift any way the wind blows and are hard to get to the gist of... Another one to watch.

Yet this could simply be a very confused Legate....which I doubt. He is not the type of player to be confused easily. The wishy-washyness of his "Ignore the cobbler!" to his "Don't ignore the cobbler" has got me uneasy.

But I'm also rather uneasy about Pitch at the moment. His whole post defending himself against Shasta seems a little too defensive.....Yet I've suspected people of this before and it always turns out their innocent. I won't vote for PItch toDay, but will certainly be keeping an eye him.

And we have votes:

Lottie --------> Shasta
Shasta ------> Pitch

I would not put it past one of the three being a Wolf. The only question is which one.

EDIT: X'ed with Pitch