WW LXXIX: Fall From Olympus

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Blind Guardian

I'M HERE! I DONT WHAT TO SAY, NOR DO I HAVE ANY CLUE OF WHATS GOING ON! WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO POST? A WHOLE BUNCH OF NONESENCE!? THAT'S WHAT GOT ME KILLED LAST TIME!! I can't win!

I'm sorry; it must be very frustrating. If you don't understand well enough to post anything but nonsense, though, and you really can't figure it out, where's the fun in that?
I don't like to see someone lynched for simply not catching on, but I can also understand why it happens. If you can't keep up you just end up as a question mark in everyone's mind, with nothing to go on either for or against you - and that's not how the game works.

Originally Posted by BG

But what else can I do? I'm just like that

Then, and don't take this the wrong way, why do you want to play WW at all? If you don't want to analyze and debate and so on, why bother? That's what it's all about.

I'm not going to vote BG because, well, it seems a little harsh at this point. The point about not participating has been made, and I don't see her as especially wolfish. I also don't see much purpose in voting for Steve: he hasn't had a chance to explain his "hint", and, if it was, he's on our side for now and we'll know when he isn't. Instead, I'm just going to do something that really should be done more often on day Ones everywhere:

++the phantom

For being the phantom.

Yeah. That felt good.

[Blind Guardian]

Originally Posted by Rikae

I'm sorry; it must be very frustrating. If you don't understand well enough to post anything but nonsense, though, and you really can't figure it out, where's the fun in that?
I don't like to see someone lynched for simply not catching on, but I can also understand why it happens. If you can't keep up you just end up as a question mark in everyone's mind, with nothing to go on either for or against you - and that's not how the game works.

I try. I didn't just copy and paste like what someone said, it just came out the same. I want to play, I want to get past day one!

[Rikae]

Hm, so Tum, do you mean the "it's frustrating to be alone with it" bit or the "I am a lover" bit? Or something else?

Originally Posted by Mac

argumentative plus defending me when I'm misunderstood, that's innocent-Rikae

Silly. I always defend you - even when we're not on the same side. You know that.

[Rikae]

Mac, I didn't throw away my vote. A vote for Phantom is always a vote well spent.

[Macalaure]

Autume, who, if not BG or me, would you like to lynch then, and why?

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Autume, who, if not BG or me, would you like to lynch then, and why?

As I was looking at my list I am wondering about wilwa and her post for BG.

I am also not sure about Boro. He sure did stir up the pot, but I'm not sure that he's a wolf.

Looking at my list of players no one is jumping out at me screaming wolf. I'm wondering if they are one of the quiet ones.

You mentioned Zil. Is there something that makes you suspect him or you just suspect him on principle?

Edit: x-ed with up to #231

[Macalaure]

Autume: this might irk you now - or a few others - but I'll vote Nerwen. I suspect her, and you don't mention her. Since I don't really trust you, that makes perfect sense to me.

++Nerwen

[Blind Guardian]

Inzil

because he started this bandwagon and I'm mad.

[the phantom]

(Oh my goodness, you guys posted a lot while I was gone. I'm still catching up, so pardon me if this post seems a bit behind and silly, as it's as far as I've advanced in the discussions.)

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Regarding the Boro opening post incident-

Originally Posted by Rikae

but Phantom seems to have given it some thought before posting what he did, so I'd be interested in hearing what his intentions were.

I thought it was possible he was trying several things, and with my comment to him I hoped to engage him in dicussion and see if I could guess which based on his reaction. The thing that stood out to me wasn't the Zeus comment so much as his constant reference to the Seer. Given simple odds I knew it was unlikely, but- I had a brainwave that perhaps he was talking about the Seer so much the WWs would try to kill him (thinking he was a Seer "hiding in the open" as they say), when in fact he was the Cursed and wished to be turned!

And so I worded my comments to him rather vaguely, knowing that if he was in fact the Cursed he would know precisely how to interpret my comment and also he would assume that I was on his side given the fact that I had "spotted" what he was up to and hadn't sounded the alarm. And so if he were to hint back to me that I was on the right track, I would turn on him and blow the whistle.

I realize it sounds like a lot of effort for something that is such a slim possibility, but the idea of the cursed going over to the other side was just too large of a threat to sit by and not try something, just to be certain.

And indeed, I guess he didn't intend anything at all if we are to believe his quote from earlier today-

Originally Posted by Boro

As for my Zeus remarks, I legit figured since he is my ultimate God of Gods (and sans the Disney version reviled the wench Hera) he was a defacto good guy. Wasn't thinking that indepth at 5:30 AM when I have important deliveries to run.

Moving on now, I'm not sure about Nog's idea about making something of the responses to Boro, as at that stage I personally believe everyone was just itching to have something real to discuss- mechanics and hammering out rules etc. Stretching their legs. Had a Day 2 comment been over-analyzed and jumped on I'd be more likely to agree.

Originally Posted by Rikae

Re: Mac's comment about Nerwen - I thought that perhaps he was trying to confuse Persephone into picking Nerwen, who I doubted (and figured Mac doubted, since he didn't try to get her lynched) was actually Hades. I didn't really think a wolf would have made the comment Nerwen did, as it seemed too risky.

This was exactly what I thought upon viewing Mac's comment and Nerwen's comment before it, which is why for the time being Mac and Nerwen are firmly in my innocent column.

(back to reading, on page 5 now)

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Autume: this might irk you now - or a few others - but I'll vote Nerwen. I suspect her, and you don't mention her. Since I don't really trust you, that makes perfect sense to me.

++Nerwen

Now that just put a BIG smile on my face! In a strange way that really does make sense.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I seem to be trapped in a vicious circle... going to have a cigarette, going to brush my teeth... while leaving the computer on and just looking after every thing done if there is anything that is interesting... and of course there is... Gah!

I hear you Nog! I keep thinking that I really do need to vote soon, but then this is just sooo interesting that I'm not ready to put my laptop away and call it a night. Not to mention I really need to look at who I want to vote for. Yet at this time I don't see any unity on the votes other than the ones for BG.

[Nogrod]

There goes my getting back into more European timetable...

Originally Posted by Nerwen

You know, Nogrod and Mac's suspicion of me, Mac's of Boro and tum's of Mac all come down to the following bit of illogic:

And therefore, if you can't find proper hints, then any comment about the role "must" be a hint, even if it doesn't make sense as one.

Heh. You can not deny the lovers (and Dionysos) have a great urge to get themselves known to their allies (and with Dionysos I'm pretty positive he thinks the wolves are his allies as that's the role he's going to get if thwey spot him and he knows that in advance he's the one). It's really a big thing. The power of especially Hades after getting in contact with Persephone is far greater he has before meeting up with her. Actually he will die if Persephone dies before they get into contact but if they get into contact first, he has a revenge-kill and all that... With his lover beside him he's one of the most powerful players around, without her he's one of the most vulnerable.

I'm not talking about the suspicions of Mac or tum - even if it would suit you to bring them all together claiming they are the same thing. But I can say there is logic to what I am saying and I'm doing this because of that.

And looking at the situation (the overpowering need of so many people to find out their mate or group) it's clear some of them would risk trying it. Looking at the thread though gives one just a few candidates so they should be looked even more closely. And your mentioning Hades makes perfect sense, Nerwen. Just because it was made so early you could have not known people like me would jump on it later as there was no general discussion about looking after such hints. I mean stating it after the fact, that why would a wolf-lover say something like that if it made such a noise, is kind of futile as a wolf couldn't have known beforehand it would arouse such a discussion. Looking at the timing of your posting would actually suggest you were confident enough to throw that in as others would rant as well - and Persephone could get the hint anyway...

Certainly, I'm not sure about this. Who would be on D1? But it's by far the best lead I have - as it seems we'll get some information about the Dionysos turning.


X'd with a crowd of posts...

[Nerwen]

You know, Nogrod and Mac's suspicion of me, Mac's of Boro and tum's of Mac all come down to the following bit of illogic:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And this is a game where several people would need to hint at their mates or possible allies! So it would be incredible if no-one tried to make a contact!

And therefore, if you can't find proper hints, then any comment about the role "must" be a hint, even if it doesn't make sense as one.

EDIT:X'd since Mac's vote-post... and I see Nog's made this argument again.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But if you gave it even an effort, if you protested even a bit more I could see the innocent frustration in there.

No, actually I don't believe you. I don't believe there's any "perfect" way I could have responded that would have convinced you of my innocence. Whatever I did, you'd be saying it was a sign of guilt and something else the perfect response of an innocent. Sorry, played with you too many times, Nogrod.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

As that is the easiest way, trying to find another scapegoat rather than giving multiple choices which are more insecure others might go for... or are right in the beginning (which is the concern an innocent has).

Again, attributing motive to me: I wasn't "trying to find a scapegoat". I wanted explanations from Mac for his conduct.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Also you seem to be avoiding some of the questions I made... like the fact that some people (especially Hades!) really need to try to establish a connection and you were one of the only ones a trial for that could be read out from.

See my last post for why this is invalid.

Edit: X'd since my last post.

[the phantom]

All right- I've skimmed everything now at least. Two things-

1) Does anyone have an updated tally?

2) Does BG's vote count (it doesn't have ++)?

edit: x-posted, so never mind the tally

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Okay, I think I'm caught up for the most part (although there was a lot of skimming involved).

Re: Nerwen and Nogrod - to be honest, I think they're the standard two innocent vs. innocent that generally appear during day one. The light of my life is smarter than to openly announce that she's Hades, I think. And Nogrod has a tendency to go after one person early on regardless of their alignment (I would know, ).

Re: Boro - I don't see a reason for Zeus to be hinting to Hera, or to be hinting at all. I don't think his comment was a hint.

Re: Eonwe - I'm putting my vote on him. If he's the Cursed we're better off lynching him now then letting him be turned at night.

++Eonwe

[autume98]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Hm, so Tum, do you mean the "it's frustrating to be alone with it" bit or the "I am a lover" bit? Or something else?

It was this line:

Originally Posted by Mac

Since we only have three, that's not a bad hint.

Edit: Changed coding

[Rikae]

Ok, in that case... that makes no sense at all.

[autume98]

I know there are rules about editing posts. So quick question, anyone here know if I can fix the quote since it shows: [quote ] [ /quote] I can't believe I forgot to preview my post before I hit Submit Reply.

Thanks in advance!

[Rikae]

I think that's probably fine, just note it in the "reason for editing" box.

EDIT: X'd with Lottie.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Holy cow. I apologize for my absence so far - I had no idea this was starting today. I'll do my best to read the last six pages. Deadline's in two hours, right?

[Loslote]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Raise your hand if you'd like to lynch somebody suspicious instead of BG.

Yes, she might not be very helpful, but that's not a good reason to lynch and you know that.

*raises hand*

Personally, I'd like to see Mac or Tum, but that doesn't look very likely. I do not like this BeiGei bandwagon. It's an easy, almost mindless vote.

EDIT: xed with Tum - if you mark that you changed coding, no one will be mad. Happens to all of us.